Date: Mon Sep 11, 1995 10:20 pm CST
From: John Q. Public
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Subject: Sarah McClendon: Are Dems and GOP Using Drug Money?
The following appears in the 9/11 edition of the Washington
Weekly, and is posted here with permission:
SARAH MCCLENDON ASKS WHITE HOUSE ABOUT DRUG PROFITS
White House Press Conference, September 7, 1995.
MS. MCCLENDON: Mike, I understand that Vice President Gore
has told President Clinton that he understands that the
government is letting sale from - profits from narcotics which
are coming in here be used, be laundered and be used to finance
both political parties. Mr. Clinton was apparently not aware of
this, but Mr. Bush apparently was. And Mr. Gore has insisted
that it be stopped. And Mr. Clinton, I understand, is now saying
that he will take some steps to stop this financing of political
parties, both political parties, by profits from drugs coming
into this country for sale which are ruining the country. Now, I
wonder when Mr. Clinton is going to start his movement on this
and what he's going to do.
MR. MCCURRY: I haven't heard any of that before. That
sounds like the plot for a very good novel. But I haven't heard
-
MS. MCCLENDON: Now, don't make fun of it, Mike, because it's
true. It's true.
MR. MCCURRY: I'm not making fun of it. If it's true -
MS. MCCLENDON: Just go and check it with the President.
MR. MCCURRY: All right. I'll go ask the President if he's
taken any steps on that and report back to you.
[We'll be waiting -Editor]
Copyright (c) 1995 The Washington Weekly (http://www.federal.com)
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Date: Tue Nov 28, 1995 2:35 pm CST
From: bigred
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TO: * David Beiter / MCI ID: 635-1762
Subject: Interview With Sarah McClendon -- 08/30/95
Interview with Sarah McClendon, 08/30/95
First published in the October 1995 Conspiracy Nation Newsletter
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CONSPIRACY NATION:
I got your phone number from Sherman Skolnick, in Chicago.
SARAH McCLENDON:
Yes, he's a good friend of mine.
I don't always agree with him! [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. I know. Me too.
SARAH McCLENDON:
You wanted to ask me about somethin'.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay. My first question would be, there's a newsletter called
*Relevance* newsletter...
SARAH McCLENDON:
Yes. I'm familiar with it. They send it to me all the time, from
Michigan. I haven't had time to read it! [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. I kind of know what you mean. I get a lot of stuff from
readers that I don't have that much time to read everything
either.
But they quote you as saying,
Sara McClendon told your editor in mid-May that there were 16
sealed indictments sitting in the Arkansas District Court,
three of which indict Hillary Rodham Clinton with bank fraud
to the tune of $47-60 million, obstruction of justice, and
possibly perjury.
SARAH McCLENDON:
I didn't give any amount. And I said one time.
I don't think I said three. I know I said two and possibly three,
at one time.
But they were planning to indict her on those things. But I
didn't give any amount of money, and...
You remember what date that was? (You don't, I guess.)
But anyway, I'll have to look it up.
People are always quoting me, and quoting me wrong! You know what
I mean?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. Yeah.
SARAH McCLENDON:
And I understand that she's *not* going to be indicted now. And
so that was what they were trying to do, and wanted to do. But I
think they've backed down from that.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay. This was in their [*Relevance*] June/July issue.
Okay. So you're sayin' that, "No. She has not been indicted."
SARAH McCLENDON:
I don't think she has. I don't think she will be. That's based
on, you know, my assumption, my analysis of the situation. And
there may be something different tomorrow!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. Okay, I've been hearin' this from a lot of sources. Sherman
Skolnick had said that she was indicted. Somebody that may be
known to you, Debra von Trapp, said that, yes, Hillary had been
indicted.
SARAH McCLENDON:
Debra von Trapp doesn't know a goddamn thing about it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay. So that would be another question.
SARAH McCLENDON:
Mr. Skolnick is assuming, he's assuming too much. He gets some
talk with some former CIA people, but he assumes a lot of things.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay. And goin' back to Debra von Trapp: I had interviewed her,
and she told me quite an amazing story -- okay? -- about...
SARAH McCLENDON:
About Japan.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Do you give any credibility to that?
SARAH McCLENDON:
No, I do not. But she has her own business connections with them.
She *does* know a man, she says, that she worked with on the
transition from [George] Bush to Clinton, who she says "bugged"
the White House machines. And she says that he told her that, "We
took down Foster." He worked at the time, supposedly, for the CIA
and the FBI.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! That would be Robert Goetzman. That she was sayin'...
SARAH McCLENDON:
That's right.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
...that. Do you believe that story?
SARAH McCLENDON:
Yes, I do.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You believe that Goetzman was involved in that?!
SARAH McCLENDON:
Goetzman must have been. Because he told her, according to her,
that "We took care of Foster."
I know how to get in touch with Goetzman. But he was *furious*
when I found him. [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I could imagine that he would be.
SARAH McCLENDON:
He was *furious* when I found him.
But the White House said to me, "Are you sure he doesn't work on
any of *your* maintenance contracts? With your machines?"
And they said, "He will never work here. We can assure you that
he will not be working here." So by that tone of voice (that was
a man who manages the White House machines), I am quite sure that
he was watching to see, to check to see if they had been
"bugged".
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And what about, Debra von Trapp also, besides the "bugging" of
the White House, she says, as far as the Oklahoma City bombing,
that there had been some complicated plot. Are you familiar with
what she had said about that?
SARAH McCLENDON:
Well she called me the night before the bombing to tell me that
something was going to happen. But about all that she did was,
she left a message on my answering service for me to call her.
And she didn't say when it was going to be (she didn't say
specifically). The next day, she told the Michigan Militia that
she had told me ahead of time where it was gonna be and all about
it! [laughs] But she did not! I did not know ahead of time it was
gonna be.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
But are you familiar with what she's sayin', that this bombing in
Oklahoma City was in retaliation for a sarin gas attack in Tokyo
that had occurred a month previously?
SARAH McCLENDON:
In Japan?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SARAH McCLENDON:
Yes, I'm familiar with it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Do you give credence to it?
SARAH McCLENDON:
No, I don't.
But, I mean, I do not, but I know that she had some business
dealings over there. And, you know, anything could be possible.
Personally, I don't think it's very plausible.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Clinton seems to be causing, or at least assisting, the self-
destruction of the Democratic Party...
SARAH McCLENDON:
No. He's not doing anything of the sort. He wouldn't do anything
like that. That's ridiculous. The Democratic Party has been goin'
downhill for the last two or three campaigns. And they're going
downhill because they don't have enough sense to have any
leadership! They don't *take* leadership! They don't *do*
anything! It's not Clinton's fault! Clinton is the only leader
they've got who's [unclear] for it. It's not Clinton's fault that
they're doin' this. It's their own fault. And the people inside
the Democratic Party who are left-wing liberals want Clinton out!
They want him out so bad they're probably going to get him out
and get him so embarrassed that he'll resign. And *that* faction
of the Democratic Party has been enlarged in the last week, week
or two, by more middle-of-the-road Democrats who want him out. At
the same time, normal people in the United States -- and there are
politicians in Washington, Democratic leaders in Washington and
I -- think the people around the country are very well-satisfied
with Mr. Clinton. And I believe Mr. Clinton can be re-elected.
And I think he *will*.
And the Democratic left-wingers who are trying to get him out of
office, I don't think they have anyplace to go! I don't know
what's to become of them. And I don't care.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, that's interesting. Because my perception, my background is
I have always identified with the Democratic Party -- until
recently.
SARAH McCLENDON:
Well I've always been a Democrat, I'm still a Democrat. But at
the same time, I think the Democratic National Committee in
Washington has absolutely no leadership!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Well there's definitely a problem. Because I see a lot of the
politicians are jumping ship!
SARAH McCLENDON:
Well you know what I think is happening? I think that the same
pot of -- I can't prove this, but I know other people that agree
with me -- I think the same pot of money is behind campaigns for
both parties. They may be doing it in the name of other people,
but I think that the money is coming from narcotics being sold in
this country.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
To me, that's a key part of the problem, is this *huge* trade in
drugs.
SARAH McCLENDON:
It wouldn't be happening without government approval in some way.
It's gotta be government approval, somehow. And I think that
money is being used to finance both campaigns, and they just
decide which party will win against the other.
[George] Bush has been mostly the manipulator. Bush has been
manipulating the Clinton administration ever since they got in
there.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Could you amplify on that a little bit?
SARAH McCLENDON:
Well Bush has been causing to happen, or pulling strings to
happen, tragic things to happen. But he... 30 percent of the
policy makers in the Justice Department are his people! He *owns*
Louis Freeh, the FBI man. And he owns... And Jesse Helms, the
other faction, the right-wing conservative Republicans who want
Clinton out, Jesse Helms owns Kenneth Starr.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay. And that's kind of my perception, too, is that... Say with
Mena, Arkansas, that whole thing...
SARAH McCLENDON:
That was completely Bush and the CIA, and completely... and not
Clinton.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And yet Clinton is somewhat involved, isn't he?
SARAH McCLENDON:
No. He's not "somewhat involved", not at all. And they're tryin'
to say so, and the people that are saying so have no more proof
than the man in the moon that he's taken any of that money that's
being laundered through there. That's utterly ridiculous.
The CIA and Bush are responsible for that. And Oliver North. And
Bush, and a former congressman from Arkansas, a Republican, set
up Mena as a base. Now Mena was only one of a *ring* of bases,
from Florida to Arizona, that Bush set up to take *out* arms and
to import narcotics, because of the Iran-Contra.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, I'm familiar with that.
SARAH McCLENDON:
And Mena is still going, and Mena is now being used, to a great
extent, to bring in money for laundering. And a lot of this money
comes from narcotics sales, either in this country or in the
islands or somewhere else.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, it keeps going back to the drug trade. I think that's the
*big* problem in this country.
SARAH McCLENDON:
And I think that some of the same people are deciding it, whether
Democrats or Republicans will get it this time.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
But there's this person named Terry Reed -- okay? -- that, he
wrote a book called *Compromised*. Are you familiar with that
book at all?
SARAH McCLENDON:
I've heard of it. But I don't have it and I haven't read it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
He insists that Clinton was involved. In fact, he insists that
Clinton actually, that he was at a meeting where Clinton
attended.
SARAH McCLENDON:
Is this the meeting where Bush went too?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
No.
SARAH McCLENDON:
Where they were talkin' about the money?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I forget, exactly.
But Reed insists that... My perception is that, yes, Bush was the
major player here. But that Clinton...
SARAH McCLENDON:
Bush is the major player, by *all* means. And you know what they
did with him. A group of over one-thousand citizens petitioned
Clinton to find out what was goin' on at Mena because they felt
they had a right to know. And he agreed to use $25 thousand to
investigate it. Then he *didn't* spend that money because the CIA
came to him and told him, "Lay off. Don't do a thing to us. We
need this operation at Mena, Arkansas, for 'national security'."
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay. So it's the CIA, really, that... Clinton, it happened to
occur in his state, and when he wanted to look at...
SARAH McCLENDON:
This was the CIA who did this, and they did it at Betsy Wright,
who was Clinton's chief-of-staff, who lived in Washington. She
was the person whom, everybody had to go through her to see
Clinton. And she's the one that said the CIA came to him and told
him to lay off.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay.
In the July 31st, 1995 issue of *your* newsletter -- this got put
on the Internet, a portion of it, and I'm quotin' what was...
SARAH McCLENDON:
The July 31st newsletter?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. According to what I have, you write that "To study [Vince]
Foster's death is to learn federal secrets."
This seems to imply that Vince Foster's death is just the surface
of a much bigger and wider story.
SARAH McCLENDON:
I think it goes into four administrations.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
So it goes back to Carter.
SARAH McCLENDON:
Carter didn't know too much about it. But Jackson Stephens owned
a system of communications called "Systematics". And it was taken
off of Inslaw. Inslaw, you know, had PROMIS pulled out of it and
sold by Ed Meese around the world. PROMIS is the system to keep
up with criminality. And Systematics is a system to keep up with
money transactions around the world. Jackson Stephens took the
Systematics system and gave it to Jimmy Carter, because he and
Jimmy had been friends at Annapolis, were roommates or somethin',
and they loved each other. And then Jimmy put it into the
government.
And then Carter went out, and Bush came in. And Bush took the
Systematics and worked it over. And he, it had been in and out of
the National Security Agency. If you ask them about it, they say
they don't know what you're talkin' about.
Systematics has several branches, one of which was in Boston. And
Systematics was something that Hillary and Foster were assigned
by the Rose Law Firm to be the lawyers for Systematics. And they
came, several different times they were assigned to work on
Systematics. And when they came to the White House, Foster was
doing political work for Hillary and Clinton. But he also was
still working on this Systematics!
And that's what happened. And then I think that he [Foster] was
used as a messenger boy by Bush, on Systematics.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
So the bigger story here is basically Inslaw: the theft of the
PROMIS software and the way that that was integrated into a lot
of the banking system.
SARAH McCLENDON:
Well, you see, PROMIS is one and Systematics is the other: both
came out of Inslaw. And they were both taken!
Now Hamilton, who owns Inslaw -- he brought Inslaw forward and
tried to sell it to the Justice Department; they beat him out of
it -- Hamilton says that a former employee of Systematics told
him that the Systematics plan came out of Inslaw.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay. And what about these recent allegations you may have heard
of, that Foster had $2.86 million in a Swiss bank account?
SARAH McCLENDON:
I know nothing about that. I know absolutely nothing about that,
and I doubt that the people that say that can prove it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Are you familiar with Jim Norman's recent article? ["Fostergate"]
SARAH McCLENDON:
I certainly am. From the beginning I have talked to him and lived
with him, before he got fired and after he got fired [from
*Forbes* magazine]. And I don't believe that part of his story. I
don't believe that Foster was an agent for Israel. I don't
believe Foster was givin' away atomic secrets to Israel. And I
don't think that could possibly be. [CN -- McClendon subsequently
changed her mind. As reported on the Internet, 09/07/95, George
Putnam said as follows on his radio show: "I want to read
something here from Sarah McClendon. 'An Apology To James
Norman.' She says, 'I want to apologize to James Norman for
saying I did not think that he had correct sources. I said I did
not think his information was right. I was wrong. Norman was the
senior editor of *Forbes* magazine, fired for writing so much of
the truth.'"]
I think that stuff was put out by the CIA because they evidently
wanted to cover up something else.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right. But would you say that the part of the story where,
towards the end, Norman is concerned about that other, say 200 or
so, high-level U.S. officials *also* had money in Swiss bank
accounts? Are you familiar with...
SARAH McCLENDON:
Well they could have. They could very easily have. But you know,
that could be any source in the world. That doesn't mean
anything.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Are you familiar with the story that there's some, so-called,
"Fifth Column" of computer hackers in the CIA that...
SARAH McCLENDON:
No, I don't know anything about that.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay. You mentioned how Norman got fired. And you, I think, are
experiencing some kind of heat because you've been looking into
Foster's death.
SARAH McCLENDON:
I was fired, too.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You got fired!?
SARAH McCLENDON:
I got fired from a new thing: AT&T Interchange Online. I got
fired after a few weeks of goin' to work for them.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And would you say that that's because you'd been lookin' into
Foster's death?
SARAH McCLENDON:
I think it was because of the story I wrote where I said, on July
the 14th, I wrote that I thought this investigation would go back
to George Bush and Caspar Weinberger.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
That's kind of like, Sherman Skolnick has been tellin' me the
same thing: that the story that's out there, the "Fostergate"
story, is a watered-down story; that the *real* story is that it
goes back to Bush and Weinberger. For example, Weinberger...
SARAH McCLENDON:
I think it goes back three or four administrations.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, but there's a bigger story...
SARAH McCLENDON:
I tell ya, it goes back, all the way back to 1980. I think that
Bush and Weinberger wanted Israel to get the atomic secrets so
that she could get the bomb ahead of others and she could hit
Russia for the United States. So she could protect herself from
her enemies.
And I think the reason that Bush wanted Israel to have this is
because he wanted to make it up to Israel for what she did for
him and Reagan in 1980 when the Israelis handled the weapons that
came from the United States, which Iran wanted. We were not
supposed to be dealing with Iran at all. And the weapons became
Bush and Reagan's private weapons to Iran. And they promised
these weapons to Iran and they came through Israel and were
*delivered* to Iran. And in return for that, Iran agreed to keep
the American hostages 71 more days so that they could be,
wouldn't get home in time to help Carter in his campaign for the
presidency.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
So you agree with the story of the "October Surprise": that there
was some kind of deal.
SARAH McCLENDON:
Oh definitely. There definitely was. And Bush has denied it all
along. And people have *seen* him in Paris at the time he claims
he wasn't there. They saw him there and they know he went to the
meeting. And I definitely think the agreement was made there.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay. As far as any "heat", you know that Jim Norman got fired
from *Forbes*. And then you also got fired.
SARAH McCLENDON:
You know who fired him, don't you?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Caspar Weinberger [publisher *emeritus* of *Forbes*].
SARAH McCLENDON:
That's right.
We've got to find out more about Caspar Weinberger. He's very
much involved in this. And *why*. And we've got to find out more
about it though.
We know that Bush ran Iran-Contra. We know that Weinberger was
very much involved in Iran-Contra, because he kept a diary.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
What about Jonathan Pollard? Is Pollard just a bit player in all
this? Like, he took the fall for this?
SARAH McCLENDON:
Pollard is a very strange person. And I understand, I think it's
about September the 12th that there's a hearing for Pollard (I
think in Washington); a parole hearing. And Pollard's friends
think he's gonna be out of prison by November.
And Pollard was apparently just a fall guy, used... They say
that, all of a sudden, information about atomic energy started
comin' to his desk. Why'd he pass this on? Why'd he take the
fall? I don't know.
Caspar Weinberger was *terrible* in denouncing Pollard, and
sayin' that Pollard should get all kinds of punishment. And it
sounds rather funny to me.
But I think Pollard was just an agent of -- I don't know how you
would say it -- but he was apparently used as an agent, somehow,
in this business.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
It's almost like they had to find *somebody* to be guilty for it.
And so they just took him to be the one as the scapegoat for all
this.
SARAH McCLENDON:
That's apparently right.
I think we have yet to find out some cause to all this. We should
follow the Foster investigation so thoroughly that we finally get
back to Bush and Weinberger and find out what really happened!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
For me, it's really frustrating that, it's *obvious* to me that
there's a lot of suspicious circumstances surrounding Foster's
death, and that it hasn't really been properly investigated.
SARAH McCLENDON:
That's right.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And if you dare... You know, for me, a somewhat lowly individual,
if I dare to state publicly that I'm not happy with the
investigation and I think there's something suspicious about
Foster's death, people automatically laugh at you, they say that
you're "crazy", you're "paranoid".
SARAH McCLENDON:
I know that. I know that. Some of those people are *encouraged*
to do that by the CIA or other people for disinformation. And the
disinformation is so prevalent that we can't get to the facts!
And they try to make fun of us for believing in conspiracies and
believing in pushing this. They try to make fun of me and
everything else.
And we just have to keep on doin' it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You say, in your newsletter, that "I am one of the Washington
reporters -- four that I know of to date -- who have been fired
or threatened with firing, or worse, in the last few days for
writing about Foster."
You say, "firing, *or* *worse*." What's "or worse"? You mean an
IRS audit? How else are they going to try to go after you for
daring to look into Foster's death?
SARAH McCLENDON:
Well they've threatened, they've harassed, people who are against
'em, who are trying to get out the truth and who are trying to
expose the government. They harass them in many, many ways. They
harass them through their relatives, their friends. I know a
woman who's been harassed because she disclosed that a firm up in
Pittsburgh was sending tools to Iran. And she's been harassed for
*years*. And she had, the other day, had loads of diesel fuel oil
dumped in her yard.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay. But it seems like, that sometimes they can get pretty
rough. There's a lot of suspicious deaths, for example, connected
with the JFK assassination: there were a lot of witnesses that
suddenly had so-called "heart attacks".
SARAH McCLENDON:
Well I'm on the board of an organization called "Coalition for
Political Assassinations". And we are studying these... In fact,
we are having our second meeting in Washington this fall. And
it's a wonderful meeting. It brings together scientists and all
kinds of people who know what they're doing. And they write
papers about Jack Kennedy's death. And we don't speculate at all.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
So, just for the record, you're not satisfied with the official
version that "Oswald was the lone assassin".
SARAH McCLENDON:
Of course not. That's absurd.
And I believe, like Fletcher Prouty says -- he's a colonel in the
Air Force who was a liaison, I think, between the Joint Chiefs of
Staff and the CIA when it was being formed. And he says that, he
thinks that the Kennedy murder was done by a cabal of people in
government, for two reasons: one, Kennedy had said he was going
to pull the troops home from Vietnam and stop the war; and two,
he said he was going to tear the CIA apart.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Again, in your July 31st, 1995 newsletter, you write "I think he"
(meaning Vince Foster) "was dispatched on numerous missions
overseas to take money of others to Swiss banks."
So in other words, in slang terms, Foster was what they call "a
bag man". Would you agree with that?
SARAH McCLENDON:
I don't know anything about the Swiss banks. But I think that
Foster was a tool and he was used. And Foster had found out some
very bad things that are goin' on in the government. He wanted to
tell Bill Clinton about them on Wednesday, and he was killed
Tuesday afternoon.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. That whole thing, to anybody that can think, that can look
at the facts of Foster's death...
SARAH McCLENDON:
And before they even investigated, routinely investigated his
death, they said it was a suicide.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. There's just so much. I mean, that somebody would shoot
themselves in the head, supposedly, and then lie down with their
arms at their sides! [laughs]
SARAH McCLENDON:
Ridiculous.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Are you familiar with this person (you may not be), his name is
Orlin Grabbe?
SARAH McCLENDON:
Yes, I'm familiar with his work. I know what he's doing. He's a
very talented, very well-educated, qualified person who's taught
at Wharton School of Finance. And he taught, he wrote a textbook
that's used around the world by bankers. And he is a very well-
qualified man. But he's retired. [CN -- Grabbe is not retired.]
He just suddenly got in the business of writing. And he's writing
all these exposes' for Internet every day, and everybody's
readin' them. And he doesn't... Some of it he knows, and some of
it he knows from experience, and some of it he's assuming.
But he's now been writing about the Mellon Bank. And the Mellon
Bank has undoubtedly been... Um, I don't want to stir up
trouble... There's a big story in Pittsburgh right now, a big
case in the... The Mellon family is the family that started Gulf
Oil, for friends. And all of a sudden the Gulf Oil people are
gone, and dead. And they found out that the trust fund that was
set up for them had gotten to be billions. And that Mellon Bank
has taken these trust funds and re-invested them. And now the
Mellon heirs, the Gulf Oil heirs, are in court in Pittsburgh this
week, tryin' to get their money back.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You're obviously more familiar with this, you're closer to what's
goin' on. I just basically know what I read on Internet. I'm not
that close to it.
SARAH McCLENDON:
Well I tell you what: I do not believe that any of 'em have the
right story about Foster and the Swiss banks, or Foster and
secrets to Israel. You stay away from those two things, I think
you'll be better off.
And Hillary is *not* a lesbian!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
[laughs] Okay. That's good to know.
SARAH McCLENDON:
She's very brilliant. And he is an honest man, trying to make a
real change in government.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Goin' back to Orlin Grabbe: in one of his articles he proposes
that we have got what he calls a "triangular trade" that's
underlying recent events such as Whitewater, the death of Foster.
The "triangular trade" involves third-world raw materials such as
oil and coca (that's processed into cocaine) that are exchanged
for first-world armaments and technology, with various banks
handling the laundering of the money. Hence: the Third World, raw
materials; First World, armaments; and the banks would be the
third party, would be getting their share of the loot by
laundering the money.
SARAH McCLENDON:
That's right. The banks are doing it like mad. And if you want to
know what I really think... This is just my opinion, right now. I
can't prove it. I can't document it. But I think the narcotics
money is dominating the economies of the world. And it's being
laundered in the United States, largely. And in the islands. And
the narcotics money is being divided between both parties, and
that is financing the election. It's maybe done under a different
name, different people, but that's what finances the election for
presidency. And I think it's terrible!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
It's a huge industry.
SARAH McCLENDON:
I think that both parties are gettin' their money for the
election from narcotics. And I think the government is letting
the narcotics come in here.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Are you familiar with a book called *Dope, Inc.* by Lyndon
LaRouche?
SARAH McCLENDON:
I think I bought that book years ago. Lyndon LaRouche said, when
I bought it, he said I had contributed to his campaign. I know
about that book, yes.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
But apparently you don't have a high opinion of Lyndon LaRouche.
SARAH McCLENDON:
I don't have a high opinion of Lyndon LaRouche. I know he's been
tortured and mistreated and all that stuff. It's certainly sad
that, to tell people his story. And I think he has some, may have
some information. But I have never understood his economics.
The main thing, his drug book, as I recall it, is the drug trade
was being financed and largely put over the world by England.
Wasn't that right?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SARAH McCLENDON:
I think we're pretty silly to sit here every day and not do more
investigation about the dope and the narcotics. It's a bigger
issue than a lot of the issues that we're playin' with.
Brian Redman
Editor-in-chief
Conspiracy Nation
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[The following interview with Lt. Commander Alexander Martin (retired) took
place on Tom Valentine's Radio Free America program on July 10, 1995.
Valentine's comments follow "Q" while Martin's follow "A".]
....
Q: Only 3 percent? That means 97 percent went somewhere else.
A: It went into people's pockets. General Secord certainly profited
handsomely. General John Singlaub and a host of others did likewise.
However, would it have been possible for these men to carry out such an
enormous conspiracy, to traffic in such enormous quantities of illegal
items, without the duplicity and complicity of the United States govern-
ment?
Q: I don't see how it would have been possible.
A: It would not have been possible, and it was not possible at the time to
do so. I think George Bush said it very well in an interview with Sarah
McClendon, the grand dame of the Washington press corps. When Bush consented
to an interview with Mrs. McClendon in June of 1992, he said on record, which
she printed in her newsletter that month, when she asked him about Iran-
contra and he said, (and I'm quoting from her newsletter): "If the people
were to ever find out what we have done, we would be chased down the streets
and lynched." This was a public comment by George Bush.
Q: George Bush actually admitted that?
A: He said it and it was printed in Mrs. McClendon's newsletter in June of
1992.
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