Subject: MENA - (SECRET) HEARTBEAT OF AMERICA From: jai@mantra.com (Dr. Jai Maharaj) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 08:05:28 GMT Message-ID: Organization: Mantra Corporation Keywords: MENA politics news Jai Maharaj Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,misc.headlines,alt.fan.jai-maharaj, alt.conspiracy,hawaii.nortle Forwarded article; may not contain poster's opinions. > From Larry-Jennie The Washington Weekly May 12, 1997 THE (SECRET) HEARTBEAT OF AMERICA A New Look at the Mena Story By Daniel Hopsicker Everybody wants to be wanted, even television producers. So even though the little production company of which I am a part already has a business magazine television show up and modestly successful (Global Business 2000; don't tell us you haven't seen it) we wanted more. We had seen with our own eyes, for example, the sickening spectacle of what passes for entertainment these days: Tammy Faye Bakker at NATPE (television production convention) last year, peddling some talk show in syndication. And with one of the major studios distributing, yet! We asked ourselves: have they no shame? In today's America that is what is known as a rhetorical question. What is this woman famous for? And the answer (Her husband embezzled hundreds of millions from little old ladies who couldn't afford it) was so depressing, we decided one day to offer up something of our own to add to America's no-longer-all-that- rich cultural stew. Then one night while eating Mexican down on Melrose we came up with it: "conspiracy: the secret history." Remember "In Search Of" with Leonard Nimoy? Back in those more innocent times, nobody was running around in camouflage uniforms talking wildly about The New World Order. We wanted to do an "In Search of" for the paranoid '90s. This is the story of the filming of the lead segment on that show. Mena, Arkansas. If you haven't heard of it, don't worry: either you will, in which case the whole sordid mess has finally found the audience it so richly deserves, or you won't, in which case you were probably better off not knowing anyway. Because after months of research, the one thing we can say with certainty about US Government drug policy is, "If you have to ask, you're not allowed to know." The Mena story reeks of government hypocrisy on the subject of drugs. It's the place mentioned when talk of Oliver North's contra-guns-and-cocaine operation comes up (not often, in polite conversation, and we still wonder, wazzup wit that?) It's where drug smuggler Barry Seal based planes that flew guns down to Central America, then drugs back, then guns down again, etc., with impunity, literally right under the noses of local law enforcement. If there is, in Bill Moyers' legendary phrase, a "Secret Government," a government that runs the other, more official one, Mena is a good place to look for it. For Mena is what the 'Clintongate' scandals are all about, really; the commodities money was and is small potatoes, the Whitewater real estate deal simply par for the course in American political life. But around Mena swirls the smoke of real scandal: allegations of massive drug-smuggling with government complicity, whiffs of Oliver North's illegal, unconstitutional and national soul-corroding Iran/contra/cocaine connection. And all flavored with spicy rumors of secret Swiss bank accounts, hastening murder by death. That's what makes Mena so important. If there's to be a real Watergate-type Sam Ervin at-the-gavel scandal in the next four years, Mena is where it will be focused. So Mena is where we headed. * * * * * * * * * * The market in opium, heroin, cocaine and marijuana in the United States of America generates a gross volume of business in excess of US $130 billion a year, making the importation, sale and distribution of drugs an enterprise that generates more revenue than any of the largest multinational corporations in the world. It makes the gross volume of illegal drugs in the United States greater than the gross national product of all but a dozen nations in the world. It takes longer to get to Mena than it should; the map shows none of the slow winding curves that crawl back and forth through mountainous western Arkansas. From Little Rock to Hot Springs is a snap, then, just as you begin planning on lunch near the fabled Intermountain Regional Airport located in Mena, the road west recedes in front of you in torturous twists and turns, and before you're there it's late afternoon, and deep shadows are turning the landscape into a black and white picture with some sepia tinges where the setting sun hits the tops of bare white trees. It's pretty, almost picture-perfect country; the question is: does it hide a secret that could bring down a government? Because it's here, in this town nestled below the dark emerald ridgeline of the Ouchita range, that the netherworld of crime intersects with that of our nation's secret intelligence operations in a way that is perhaps more visible, if still indistinct, than at any time since the Kennedy 'hits' of the 60's. Once in Mena itself, you're rewarded, first, with a feeling of being as far away from the rest of the world as, say, Nepal. There's an almost eerie sense of being outside of the ordinary scope of everyday existence, a feeling that must have been felt by the renegades, bandits, moonshiners and civil war irregulars who have called these densely forested hillsides home. When we pull our dusty crew van piled to the top with video gear into the asphalt parking lot outside the Sun Country Motel (the biggest of three in town) its empty of cars. And there's not much traffic on the main drag either. We're a typical electronic news-gathering crew: a writer/producer (me), a cameraman who'd really rather be a cinematographer, and a sound engineer, who's already missing his girlfriend back in San Jose. And, as I check us in at the front desk (the gracious small town desk clerk showing no surprise at all at one more film crew pulling in) fatigue from the long travel day makes me wonder about our seemingly quixotic quest, our perhaps deluded, because self-funded, effort to shoot a pilot for a television show. (True story: the first producer I ever worked for in Hollywood had said to me, "Kid, anything worth making is worth making with other peoples' money." ) But we were passionate about this project, as all creative people have to be, or pretend to be, and besides, as one waggish agent put it, we were shooting "The X-Files, for real." And so we've driven this icy road to see for ourselves this place, without which Bill Clinton might be able to serve out his second term in peace. And also to meet The Man. That's because you can't talk about "Mena" without mentioning Russell Welch, the legendary big-boned lawman who has been compared favorably with John Wayne in more than one retelling of this tale. Assigned to investigate drug smuggler Barry Seal in 1982, an assignment he never wanted and for which he felt himself outgunned, Welch had single-handedly fought the Dark Side forces (so well-hidden he was never even sure who they really were) to a standstill. He may not have stopped drug-smuggling through this airport, that may have been built expressly for "Special Ops," but he sure slowed it down a tad. Or...did he? That's one of the questions we've come to ask him. His voice on the phone is gruff but friendly. He'll be over to meet us at our motel in an hour. And so I rustle through my notes for the fifth time, trying to be as prepared as possible with the acknowledged facts, and knowing, at the same time, that except for the few Mena scholars out there, full knowledge of the case in all its frequently political perambulations is well nigh impossible. The facts of the Mena story, already much reported in venues from CBS to the Wall Street Journal, have somehow failed to catch the nation's attention. The reason, some analysts feel, is that the playing field on which the Mena story takes place has been incredibly muddied by political operatives of both the left and right, attempting to use the case for partisan advantage. Welch and the other players and eye-witnesses are chary, wary, and, in some cases, downright scared for their lives when microphones begin poking in their faces. And not, according to the story we're about to hear, without good cause. So we're not holding out much hope of prying any new revelations from Mr. Welch. We just want to ask him some simple questions: "If drugs are the biggest industry in the world today, who's the industry's General Motors? And, who did he think had the bigger airline distribution system: Federal Express or Cocaine Unlimited? We've decided not to go for the minutiae connected with Welch's years-long thwarted probe into government complicity in drug- smuggling. Instead we'll try to tell the story from a different angle, so as to not get bogged down in the already-cited recitals of things like the value of drugs imported by Mena figure Barry Seal, for example ($3-5 billion, according to one governmental body with some knack with figures, the IRS). Besides, the "Just- the-facts-ma'am" trap always ends in dry recitals of charges and counter-charges. Like the Robert McNamara-esque 'body counts' from the Vietnam war, it masks a bloody reality in statistics. And when in doubt, we turn to Mark Twain, who said, "There's three kinds of liars: Liars, damn liars, and people that quote statistics." A tactic we think 'might could work,' as some say in this part of heaven, to tell the story of gun and drug-running in Arkansas in the 80's, might be this: if you want to find the truth about possible US Government involvement in drug-smuggling in the '80's, you'll have to look around the periphery, out of the corners of your eyes. Because, face it, these boys are pros. Give the devil his due. Trade craft is what they DO. And Plausible Deniability is their middle name(s). So we've decided to look not for the smoking gun, but for the bent twigs. The local people, citizens, lawmen, and honest public officials, whose lives have been changed, in some cases lost, whose careers have been ruined, because of the invisible elephant of drug smuggling that came to squat over the Arkansas of the 1980's. We would look for the casualties of friendly fire. What the Pentagon calls "collateral damage." And we didn't have to look far, to find a story with an extraordinary human dimension. * * * * * * * * * * THE TRAIN DEATHS The Train Deaths, they're called in Arkansas, and our first stop on our 'conspiracy' shoot in Arkansas had been right outside Little Rock, to visit the site of the murders of Kevin Ives and Don Henry, two high school students who were murdered in 1987. Avenging their deaths has been a cause celebre for local citizens and news people for nine years. Its one of those small town cases where every one in town--except the people with the handcuffs-- seem to know who was responsible for the murder of two youths whose presence complicated or compromised a drug and/or money drop. It took place in Saline County, in the bedroom suburbs of Little Rock, in an area where nearby neighbors had often registered complaints to police about low-flying aircraft-- presumably on drug and money drops--that would buzz their homes at night with their lights off. We had first learned of the story, as one finds out about so many non- establishment-sanctioned things these days, on the World Wide Web. (For a complete telling, check out www.idmedia.com, and, by all means, order the compelling documentary available from the site.) Some people will tell you that, today, the Internet is the only free press in America. These same folks, probably, think that ever-growing press conglomerate Time Warner's corporate slogan should be: "Bringing You the Finest in Cradle-to-Grave Thought Management." We don't know about that. We confess to having less lofty ambitions when we first got online. 0ur first big project was to download some dirty pictures before the advent of the Communications Decency Act. A juvenile ambition, sure, but we found it to be a lot harder than we'd thought it would, and devoted what felt like several man-years to the attempt. It was our own mini-Manhattan Project, and it taught us more about computers than everything we'd learned before. (Never underestimate sex as a motive force; Freud was right.) But juvenilia soon loses its excitement. The Internet, for us, had not. We had discovered a whole new world. Information was loose on Planet Three! And the story we discovered online, and soon became fascinated with, concerned two high school seniors, Don Henry and Kevin Ives, who were run over in the middle of the night by a Union Pacific train on August 23, 1987. All of the engineers on the train reported that the boys were lying motionless beneath a tarp, bodies laid out identically across the tracks, with almost military precision. Despite this, the Arkansas State Medical Examiner ruled the deaths accidental. The mother of one of the two boys, Linda Ives, sensed foul play. So did others in the community. Almost immediately suspicions among the local citizenry focused on speculation that the boys' deaths might have resulted from their stumbling upon a drug drop. Just what--in 1987--would have made the local population spring to such a conclusion? This speculation leaped out at us as being more than slightly curious. "Death by Drug Drop" is not a common cause of death, at least not where we live. And the citizens of Saline County, where the deaths took place, seem anything but a conspiracy-mongering bunch. They live and work in mostly bedroom communities 30 minutes outside the State Capital of Little Rock, with all the anonymity of middle class people everywhere. They go to church. They pay their taxes. They mow their lawns. They sew. Linda Ives is the mother of one of the slain boys. She graciously allows us to invade her well-kept suburban home with all the detritus--lights, camera, cables, donuts--a video crew brings along. Today she speaks of the death of her son, and the crusade which has transpired, with a detachment borne of regular retelling of the tragedy. Still, her composure breaks at almost regular intervals, as the import of what she has to say sinks home. At those places her narrative loses its third person feel, and become a simple story of a mother losing a son. "To be the mother of a boy killed in one of the most vicious and notorious murders in Arkansas was, and is, not something easy," she begins slowly. "When this happened, in August of 1987, I was a teller at a local credit union. The very first thing we heard was that the boys had been shot, and then tied to the train tracks. Then we're being told, no, the coroner is saying the boys consumed massive amounts of marijuana, then fell asleep on the tracks." The evidence pointing towards murder, and away from accidental death, was almost immediately apparent. "There were suspicions immediately in the community," she continues. "We were hearing things from Kevin's friends, and then from people who'd been at the scene. Everyone was saying that the ruling of 'accidental' death was just ridiculous. We got word from one of the paramedics at the scene that the boys blood wasn't right, that it was dark and tar-like, that it indicated the boys had been dead for some time when the train arrived." And then there was the matter of the tarp. "The engineer and crew on the train all said the boys had been under a tarp on the tracks. But the sheriffs office said there had been no tarp, that it had been an optical illusion. They even went so far as to tell us they had conducted tests on the boys clothes, and had found no fibers that would indicate they had been under a tarp." The deceit began to unravel, said Mrs. Ives, partly owing to the fact that her husband, Larry Ives, has been a Union Pacific engineer for 31 years. He knew the crew that had manned the death train well. "They (the crew) told Larry that they had even taken the sheriffs deputies back to where the tarp had landed," she says grimly. "They pointed it out to them." "Later we found out that the sheriff's' had done no tests on the boys' clothes; it was just another in a long string of lies." Thus the political education of a grieving mother began. "At first we were just very confused, and frustrated with local law enforcement. We discovered that the first deputy on the scene immediately ordered it worked as an accident. When other officers showed up, they argued strongly that it should be treated as a crime scene. They were overruled by higher authorities. So, we learned that it had then been worked as an accident. Learned that the scene was never even roped off, and that the supposedly thorough investigation they told me had been done had left my son's foot in a sneaker lying in plain sight for over two days." So Linda Ives began a struggle--still ongoing--to bring the boys' killers to justice. For killers there are, or at least appear to be, in this story. And like so many of the monstrous sociopaths that have heavily sprinkled American society for the past thirty years (I'm thinking, now, just of the ones who conveniently kept diaries) these killers are still on the loose. They have never been brought to answer for their crimes, despite seven separate local, state, and federal investigations into the case. "As a parent, when I would hear about the "drug problem," I thought about local kids," states Mrs. Ives. "You never think the "drug problem" concerns local law enforcement, and public officials. But slowly, over time, that's what I came to believe." First there were the uncooperative state officials. "We held a press conference, and laid out everything. The media was very supportive, and that, along with public outrage, helped get the case to a grand jury. But from state officials, we got absolutely no cooperation. We ran into brick walls everywhere." The stonewalling even included refusals to obey court orders to turn over documents and test results on the part of the Arkansas State Crime Lab. "The Little Rock Crime Lab defied a court order to supply the things we were requesting in order to have a second autopsy done. So we called the State Attorney General's Office. They said it was illegal for the crime lab to defy our court order, but that they would not intervene in any way. When I asked--given that they wouldn't help enforce the court order--what recourse I had, they said, 'none.' " But 'murder will out,' as the Bard said. The parents' crusade resulted in a grand jury investigation, which ruled the deaths criminal. The second autopsy, done by a noted Atlanta forensic pathologist, showed that the face of one of the boys had been smashed in before death, and that his cheek still bore the imprint of a rifle butt. The other boy had been stabbed in the back. All of which the State Medical Examiner, Dr. Fahmy Malak, had failed somehow to ascertain. "There have been now a total of seven local, state, and federal investigations into the murders on those train tracks. And over the course of those seven investigations I've learned some amazing things," Linda Ives states. "We've learned the sheriff's lied about testing for fibers on the boys clothes. We've learned that Don Henry was stabbed, that Kevin's face was crushed with a rifle butt, that the weight of their lungs, filled with blood, was clear proof from the beginning that they didn't die from the impact of that train. "But the most amazing thing we learned was that Kevin and Don were killed because of a very large drug smuggling operation that involved public officials and public corruption, even in the murders themselves. "There were witnesses to my son's murder; witnesses who have passed FBI polygraphs, placing government officials on the train tracks with those boys before they were murdered. And this information is also corroborated by other witnesses." Mrs. Ives' pauses, and we call a halt to shooting. My crew and I sit in stunned silence at what we have been hearing. Linda sees this, and smiles, almost for the first time. When we had arrived, we'd made much of the 'small-town-y' nature of the directions she had given us to her home, directions a little in the old 'Turn left where the old Ben Franklin used to be' school. Now the tables have been turned. Linda looks bemused at our cityboy naiveté. "Its all true," she states matter-of-factly. "Just ask Jean." * * * * * * * * * * The "Jean" she is referring to is Jean Duffey. Today Jean Duffey is a high school algebra teacher in a suburb of Houston Texas, a handsome woman with short-cropped brown hair, a woman who looks just like the soccer moms we heard so much about before the recent election. But six years ago she was the prosecuting attorney of a federally funded Drug Task Force in Saline County Arkansas, whose undercover agents began to come to her with revelations about the murders of the two boys. And no soccer mom encounters I'd ever had prepared me for what she told us right at the beginning of our interview. "The FBI has eyewitnesses to the slayings," she tells us in that matter-of-fact tone affected by those who, for professional reasons, are forced to cultivate as much detachment as they can. "One witness at the scene even passed a polygraph. But still, to this date, nothing has been done. It's been this way from day one, with seven separate investigations, each one stopped." The initial hue and cry by local citizens and the media, Duffey explains, was directed at the unbelievable verdict of the State Medical Examiner, who ruled the boys' deaths accidental. This forced the second examination we'd heard about from Linda Ives. Remember? The one showing that one boy had been stabbed in the back, while the other's face had been smashed in, bearing the imprint of a rifle butt? Hearing this stomach-wrenching information related to us on camera for a second time in two days, I had a curious reaction. I felt slightly giddy. There was a disconnect between the events being related, and my reaction. I was tempted to ask: "What could Dr. Malak have been thinking about, that day those boys' lifeless bodies crossed his examining room table? Lunch?" Later I was to feel that my feelings were not as inappropriate as they appeared at first blush. How can one react in the face of what feels like sheer malignant evil? As I listened further, the threads of--dare I say it?--conspiracy--began to weave tighter, and I began thinking of Dr. Malak not as of someone merely incompetent, but as of someone both incompetent and sinister, sort of a backwoods Joseph Mengele. "Fahmy Malak was bulletproof in Arkansas; he was completely protected," states Duffey. "And that was true, even in the face of incredible adverse publicity from the media after the second examination showed how clearly ridiculous his ruling of accidental death was. We are way beyond the bounds of incompetence here; we are into criminal intent." So, I asked, was Dr. Malek an accessory to murder? Ever the prosecutor, Duffy considered her words carefully. "Accessory to murder," she said slowly, "is different from conspiracy to cover up, which is what I believe Dr. Malak was involved in." But we are getting slightly ahead of ourselves. I ask how Ms. Duffey's Drug Task Force came to be involved in the Train Deaths murder investigation. "I had hired seven undercover investigators," she explains. "Their job was to make drug buys, and work their way up the ladder to drug suppliers. That's who we were after. But the connections began to lead almost immediately to public officials, who were either protecting the drug trade or actively involved in the drug trade themselves." "And the person whose name came up most often was also the person who had been the special prosecutor in the initial grand jury investigation into the Train Deaths, a nearly year-long proceeding that did nothing but establish that the cause of death was not accidental, but was indeed homicide." "His name is Dan Harmon. It became apparent almost immediately that Dan Harmon was a key player in the drug trafficking activity taking place in Saline county." Duffey pauses, remembering. "About three months after we were up and running, one of my undercover investigators asked if he could open the Trains Deaths case, which was, at that point, two-and- a-half years old, and perhaps Arkansas' most famous unsolved mystery. It had been featured twice on the TV program, and people who were possible witnesses were turning up dead." "I asked him why he thought that we should get involved. 'Two reasons,' he told me. 'First, because its drug related. And second, because we can solve it.' "Why, I asked him, did he think we could solve a crime that other investigations had been unable to? Because, he said, the other investigations were cover-ups. No real investigation had yet been conducted thoroughly and forthrightly." Duffey's Drug Task Force investigators proceeded to develop startling evidence that had previously been ignored. First, on the drug-related aspect of the crimes. "One of the first things my investigator did was to interview people living in the vicinity of where Kevin and Don were murdered. He discovered that drug drops had been rumored in that area over the six months before the boys murders, that citizens had filed reports of low-flying aircraft buzzing over in the middle of the night with their lights turned off. "When a citizen made one of these complaints, an officer would go out and take a report, and then do nothing. No investigation was done. These reports were sitting in the sheriff's office when Kevin and Don were murdered. But the connection between the planes and the deaths was not made." Duffey allows herself a wry smile "I found it very hard to believe that my undercover officer could see the obvious, while no one else could." Duffey continues speaking in her prosecutorial monotone, telling how a confessed drug dealer had testified that she had, as part of her participation in an "officially" sanctioned drug ring, picked up cocaine that had been 'dropped' on the train tracks in the same vicinity. Apparently, cocaine was raining from the darkened night skies over Arkansas. "The system kept me from prosecuting," she continues. "Our Drug Task Force was actually doomed from the beginning. On the very day I was appointed to head the drug task force, Gary Arnold, my boss, walked into my office, stared at me hard, and instructed me not to use the Drug Task Force to investigate any public officials." There was a massive cover-up, Duffey states in an even tone. "My drug task force was shut down cold. Because we were getting too close. We were not allowed to get there." What happened next? "I got smeared," says Duffey. "There was a massive smear campaign against me, led by Dan Harmon, who fed misleading and untrue information to the local papers." So Jean Duffey's career began to follow a familiar trajectory, one often seen in those who refuse to look the other way. Doug Thompson, a local reporter on the main Little Rock paper, the Arkansas Democrat, led a campaign against her, while being fed information by the man who would later became the focal point of suspicions. And, at that point, Duffey says, she realized she could do no more, and took the case to the US Attorney. And the smear campaign? The one that ran courageous and crusading prosecuting attorney Jean Duffey right out of state? What about it? Duffey almost smiles. "Today I realize, after working with the FBI for eighteen months beginning in March of 1995, what the basis was for Dan Harmon's viciousness. I now know that Dan Harmon was on the tracks with the boys the night that they were murdered." This was the point during the shooting of this story at which I began to feel like the Greek Chorus at an outdoor play. I was thinking of a writer from the heartland of America. I was thinking of Kurt Vonnegut, who gave us a refrain so constantly- repeated that it seemed to have become a mantra in the 60's. 'So it goes,' his characters would say. 'So it goes.' But I started this tale in Mena, and the alert reader may be forgiven for asking, how does Mena connect with two unfortunate murders which, let's grant for the sake of argument, may well have been committed in the course of drug smuggling activities in Arkansas, and may well have involved corrupt officials? What does Mena have to do with the Train Deaths, events that occurred half a state away? Well, this, for starters: if the drug smuggling in Mena, Arkansas was widespread and pervasive, it would still just be the tip of the iceberg, albeit a very big tip. What Russell Welch, acknowledged as the expert in Arkansas drug smuggling, even by his drug-smuggling foes in those times, such as Barry Seal's brother-in-law Bill Bottoms, (who has lately discovered a highly vocal mission to portray Mena as a myth) could tell us, was simple: was Mena an anomaly, an isolated incidence in an isolated place? Or did what happened there bespeak a larger corruption of the Arkansas bodily public in those heady years of the 80's, years before the American public at large began to wonder whether the drug policy of its government was Just Say NO...or Just Fly Low. After all, cocaine had never been known to rain from the skies anywhere I lived during the 80's. And I lived in Los Angeles. {{{850912, Drew Thorton, Knoxville, TN.}}} We were on a journey, we now realized, to see the Wizard. But we had two brief stops first. Our first stop was to visit with the reporter whose fingerprints are all over the case, Doug Thompson of the Arkansas Democrat, the state's main paper, since it bought its competition. It's located in a handsome gray stone building near the heart of Little Rock. Thompson seemed happy to see us, and agreed to talk, but not on- camera. "Of all the TV people who have been down here to cover Mena," he told me. "You're the first one to stop by to see me. And my name's on all the clips." Indeed it was. Thompson is a burly affable man, easy to like. He had covered the Train Deaths through most of its permutations, over almost a seven year span. But his easy manner seemed at odds with what Jean Duffey had told us about him, that she had been hounded out of state at least partly by his coverage of her. We asked about his role. "Driving that woman out of state is the thing I'm proudest about in my years at this paper," he stated. "Did you know, while she ran the task force, her 18-year old daughter used her mother's position to obtain a drivers' license stating she was 21?" I did my best to look shocked. Shocked! And I was. As soon as he retailed this innocuous-enough but still faintly scurrilous piece of information, I became uneasily aware of being in the presence of someone who might not turn out to be a disinterested information broker to the out-of-state truth-seeker. An 18-year old girl procuring fake ID did not seem like a capital crime to me. Maybe it is to you. But it did strike me as just the sort of thing someone attempting to prove a point might dredge up. Suddenly it seemed an agenda had reared its ugly head. "She's crazy, Jean is," he continues. "Jean Duffey and Dan Harmon are both crazy, they both belong in a lunatic asylum, just in separate wings." Ah-Hah! The plague-on-both-your-houses defense. We smiled. Doug smiled. Later, when we did stand-up on our story, on the sidewalk just outside the paper's offices, security guards stood uneasily just inside the main door. * * * * * * * * * * THE ART OF DISINFORMATION That left just one stone left unturned. Billy Bob "Bear" Bottoms is a genuine Louisiana piece of work, as anyone with two nicknames can be safely assumed to be. He is also the former brother-in-law of Barry Seal, and one of his drug pilots during the 80's, as well as a former US Navy pilot. Lately Bob Bottoms seems to have discovered a new vocation: destroyer of what he calls the "Mena Myth," first in a Penthouse article, widely quoted by debunkers of the San Jose Mercury News "Dark Alliance" series on the CIA, the Contras, and Cocaine. And then he has surfaced suddenly to become a highly visible presence at those meeting grounds on the Internet where topics like these are bandied about, inspiring heated discussion in forums and information lists like CIA/Drugs and alt.current.events.clinton.whitewater (Yes, there really is such a 'place.' Isn't cyberspace grand?) The clear consensus about Bottoms was that he was, at some third party's behest, supplying disinformation to lead investigators seeking an intelligence agency hand in drug smuggling in Arkansas off the scent. He admitted smuggling massive amounts of drugs (and had the newspaper clippings to prove it). And he also admitted to working for the DEA for six years (more clippings). What he didn't admit was to ever having gotten caught smuggling drugs, a fact which normally precedes contrition in drug smugglers. On this point most knowledgeable observers see a hole in the bottom of Mr. Bottoms curriculum vitae. We were also warned about the dangers of meeting with him. A dispatch reached us alleging that Bottoms has been known to plant drugs on innocent people and then turn them in. So when we arrived for our meeting, at a hotel in Baton Rouge, we eyed him a bit nervously. But he has a disarming smile, and intelligent blue eyes to go with a brown bomber jacket, jeans and a heavily-weathered if handsome face. The thrust of Bottoms' argument is that Mena was a small airfield from which a small drug operation took place over a small period of time during the 1980's. Period. During our conversation over breakfast, we took no notes, but gauged, as best we could, the man. And to our chagrin, we found we liked him. He seemed more a swashbuckling type than the kind of sleazeball we've all seen in movies like "Scarface." He made much of the fact that several of the principals in the Mena story, including, most notably, Terry Reed, were liars, people for whom he shared, along with Russell Welch, a fine contempt. He had even posted to the Internet his correspondence with Welch, from which one could glean a wary mutual respect. I took two things from our inconclusive encounter. First I realized what true 'babes in the woods' most of us would-be truth-detectors must appear to people schooled in the arts of dissemination, as Bottoms has been. And, second, I wanted, despite the chill temperature, to crawl under our crew van to check for packages that weren't there before. * * * * * * * * * * Russell Welch arrived unannounced and without ceremony at our motel in Mena. He looked every inch the undercover investigator he no longer is: alert green eyes, slightly slouched, nondescript clothing. The man seems born to skulk. What he agreed to do with us was this: go to dinner, but not eat dinner, at a local place called the Cutting Board, which served hamburgers the size of small flying saucers. Or of small fedoras, if you're one of the few who has not yet seen (or been aboard) a saucer. He would talk to us, he said, but not with cameras present. At this point, perhaps a word or two about Russell Welch for those of you tuning in late might be in order. Although hundreds of thousands of words have already been written about him, his story is not yet a well-known one. Trooper Russell Welch of the Arkansas State Police was assigned to investigate drug smuggler Barry Seal in the early '80's. Seal had made the small Interregional Mountain Airport in Mena his home field. Thinking this not an entirely peachy idea, the State Police put Welch on the case. Seal had been in Special Forces in the 60's. In 1972, as a TWA pilot, he had been arrested for smuggling explosives for anti- Castro Cubans. Seal's C-123K cargo plane, "The Fat Lady," was procured by Seal from Air America, the known CIA subsidiary. After Seal 'sold' the plane, it crashed in 1986, with Eugene Hasenfus on board. This marked the first public exposure of Oliver North's secret contra war, set up in contravention of a Congressional Act, the Boland Amendment, which made such activity illegal. There has been much talk about interference in Welch's investigation, and about prosecutions which were subverted. Welch himself has been quoted to this effect. He had his career ruined by his seemingly quixotic quest to bring drug smuggling to a halt at the Mena airport. He is either a pitiful Dudley Do-Right, or an American hero of the first order. After spending the briefest possible amount of time with him, I'm clear about where I come down on that question. I'd name my kid after him, had I one to name. )From this brief outline, several things should be clear to anymeathead with the slightest hint of gray matter beneath his cap. A secret government operation was run out of this remotest possible outpost of the Empire. A "Bamboozle in the Boondocks." Some of it involved drugs. And nobody bothered to let Trooper Welch in on the joke. The punch line was not too funny for Russell Welch. He 'contracted' anthrax, the military warfare biological agent variety. His doctor told him someone had sprayed it in his face. Then an FBI agent was about to arrest him for illegal wiretapping, but a local sheriff dissuaded him, on the grounds that Welsh had been in the hospital dying of anthrax at the time. (If you're not Welch, some of this seems funny.) Finally, Welsh retired from the Arkansas State Police. Alive. But not through lack of trying. Today Welch is an understandably wary man. At dinner he outlined for us the way things went at Mena. "The whole method of smuggling was an excellent system that Seal's men had been carefully instructed in. Flying back, they would 'kick drugs' at a previously unknown spot. After the drugs were 'kicked,' the coordinates of the spot were given to a ground or a helicopter crew and they would then go to a remote area and pick them up. Then the planes would land back in Mena, and they would be clean." Welch pointedly mentions that Barry Seal was neither the first nor the last drug smuggler to call Mena home. We coaxed him, "So you're saying there were smugglers here before..." "Sure. Oh yeah. Before Seal and after Seal. And I assume there are smugglers here right now." Be still my beating heart... This is the first reference I've heard to current drug smuggling out of Mena Arkansas. Russell grins. He's got a good sense of humor. "Its legal here." He goes on to relate a story about a local radio station with a Howard Stern wanna-be who had announced one morning that the big news that day was that the local prosecuting attorney had legalized cocaine out at Mena airport. You could tell Welsh was trying to be funny, but his heart wasn't in it. "Did it come as a surprise to you," we asked him, "when the CIA finally admitted that they had conducted training at Mena?" "Oh, no." "That was something you knew?" "Yeah, that was commonplace. But long long ago." "Are they telling everything?" "No they're not," Welsh answers slowly. "They just mentioned this one two-week operation they had here, which I suspect was testing of an airplane. They had some top-secret spy plane out there, and the deputies caught them, and everyone at the airport knew what was going on, word got around, and so they eventually went to the local sheriff and gave him one of those little coins that they give to people who discover them." Here's news! Coins! Ferret out a black op somewhere, and you'll get a commemorative medallion. "When the deputies drove up on them at the airport one of them swept the area with his flashlight and saw people standing around wearing those labsuits that look like spacesuits. It caused a bit of fear." Welsh is grinning again. "Part of that operation's still here." But that's it. Nothing more is clearly forthcoming. We change our tack. "The FBI tried to frame you for an illegal wiretap?" "Yeah. Fortunately I was in the hospital dying at the time and muffed their case up a bit." "You were dying of anthrax, correct?" "Yeah. That's what I was diagnosed and treated for." "How did you find that out? Welsh doesn't grin this time. "Doctor says, 'you're dying,' or words to that effect..." We ask him about Bill Bottoms, and get another taste of reality, covert-style. "Old Billy Bottoms is a liar. But Billy tells a lot of truth. Billy Bottoms is who he says he is." Ah. The art of disinformation. "One of the biggest things Billy Bob is doing wrong is not saying in posts that he's limited, that he doesn't know everything. This operation with Barry Seal isn't the limit of what took place here. Barry Seal was very limited. Barry is a cocaine smuggler, he got busted, he rolled over, he got burned and then he got killed. Barry Seal wasn't in charge of nuthin.' "From 1984 on, Barry Seal is trying to stay out of prison. Struggling to keep his importance, struggling with Billy Bottoms' buddy Jake Jacobson that he (Bottoms) stayed with after Seal was dead, begging him for something to keep him important. Something that will keep him important in the DEA's eyes, and then they dumped him in July of '84, and that's when he really started struggling--he's trying to help them find Pablo Escobar. And when Duncan and I interviewed him in December of '85, he was a scared desperate man. He wasn't in charge of nothing. He is trying to stay alive. He knew a contract was out on him then. He talked about it. He's trying to stay out of prison. And he's scared to death of Arkansas. Because he wasn't protected; he was protected everywhere, except at the state level in Arkansas." "Was that because of you?" "Because of me. He talks about it in the transcription of my and Duncan's interview with him. It was almost a defeatist attitude. Like, I'm a dead man anyway. And two months later, he was a dead man." Welsh was passionate now, and he went on to talk about the numerous congressional subcommittees, "every subcommittee that's been through here--four or five of them--are independent hotshot investigations to expose everything--and all they end up exposing is witnesses." He mentioned the name of one, relating how she had been exposed to peril after being assured of something he referred to as "a congressional umbrella." He snorted derisively. "I'm not sure that there is such a thing. They dumped her, they forgot about her, but she was exposed for what she did." Welch stands angrily. We're uncertain what comes next. Its getting late. Maybe we've had our interview. "C'mon," Welch says. "I'll give you a tour of the airport." * * * * * * * * * * MIDNIGHT RIDE TO MENA We have no tape recording of what follows, so paraphrases are inexact. Even if we had been carrying a recorder, Welch pulled the old trick of cranking the radio up in his car as he drove us around the outside of the Interregional Mountain Airport. But we caught, clearly, the gist of what he had to say. Mena is not about just things that went on in the early 80's. Mena is about things that are going on right now. "See that hangar?" he would say, pointing out this, or that building looming in the darkness. "That's owned by..." And then there would be an anecdote. "That's owned by ______, who today owns almost half the airport," he said at one stop on our tour. "He doesn't exist in history back past a safe house in Baltimore in 1972." Or: "That hangar's owned by ____ ___ . He smuggled heroin through Laos back in the Seventies." Or: "That hangar's owned by a guy who just went bankrupt. So what's he do? Flies to Europe for more money. Don't tell me crime don't pay!" He shows us a half dozen lumbering Fokker aircraft parked on an apron. "The DEA's been tracking those planes back and forth to Columbia for a while now." It goes on like this for a while. At the end, he seems spent, but satisfied. He looks over across the car seat at me. "You know how many nights I spent out here in the dark, watching planes take off and land?" he asks softly. Then he tells me one of his secrets. He illustrates by getting out of the car, and walking over to a parked plane. As he exits, I notice a revolver lying on the drivers' seat he's just vacated. It seems that one of Trooper Welch's few pleasures, back in those days when he was attempting to bring drug smugglers to heel, was, when the call of nature overcame him on his lonely night vigils, to relieve himself on the side of a plane that flew drugs in and out of American airspace with impunity. It seems a perfect gesture. They may get you in the end, but, fuck it--piss on 'em. A rebel gesture, purely American. As American as--well, lets save that for the big close. Trooper Welch's eyes grow solemn, even in the dark. "I could tell you what's going on, but when you leave here, I'm still here with my family. And just the fact that you're going to do a television show, that may not even mention me or anything you got from me...just the fact that you're going to do it is gonna cause me a bunch of shit. It always has, and it always will. Its gonna cause me problems that you can't even define." * * * * * * * * * * THE MISSING DRUG DROP We had made our pilgrimage to Mena. And we felt duly chastened by what we think we learned. But the tale we set out to tell, after all, was a little story that should belong to its two main protagonists, Linda Ives and Jean Duffy. Linda Ives, mother of one of the slain boys, has made a crusade out of finding his killers and bringing them to justice. She thinks she's fulfilled the first of those two objectives. Its the second one she wonders about. "This is not just a case of local corruption," she says with quiet determination. "We knew that early on because the state police just weren't doing their job. Then there were Federal investigations, and we were promised indictments would come out of them. But they were shut down too. "Who has the power to shut down a federal investigation?" she demanded. "We too had heard about Barry Seal's operation dropping drugs and cash around the state. We made contact with a pilot who claimed to have many times flown the drop at the place where my son died. Local law enforcement was in charge of securing those drops, he told us. "And just prior to Kevin and Don's deaths a drop at that location had gone missing...so local law enforcement was on Red Alert. They were waiting for somebody to try to steal their next drop. And Kevin and Don happened by. Several witnesses place two police officers beating up two boys at a little grocery store right by where they found the boys' bodies... "I believe that Kevin and Don were grabbed by these two officers, interrogated, and subsequently killed." "These two officers, whom I believe to be Kirk Lane and Jay Campbell, are Pulaski County narcotics officers. They are good friends with (former Clinton friend and convicted drug distributor) Dan Lasater, and have flown in his jet many times. "I believe the reason these investigations have gone nowhere is because of the connections of the two officers seen beating and kicking those boys, Kirk Lane and Jay Campbell, to Dan Lasater, and on up to Bill Clinton, and I also believe these connections filter down to the criminals and thugs that are public officials to this day here in Saline county. "I believe that the evidence is overwhelming that Bill Clinton knew what was going on in Mena Arkansas and made no effort to investigate or eradicate it." In a more measured but no less impassioned way Jean Duffey largely concurs. "Did you ever in your wildest dreams while you were in law school," we asked her, "entertain the idea that the U.S. Government condoned smuggling drugs?" "No," she responds. " I did not." "Who is responsible, ultimately, for those boys' deaths? Where did the chain of command end?" She hesitates. "In my opinion, I believe it began with the CIA smuggling drugs, so whoever was giving the command might be who is ultimately responsible." "Is there any explanation you can think of for seven thwarted investigations into the Train Deaths other than government complicity in drug smuggling in Arkansas?" "Absolutely no other explanation." "Was Barry Seal a big enough drug smuggler to conduct a drug smuggling operation that involved drug drops near those train tracks with the regularity to provoke citizen complaints about low flying aircraft?" "Probably not." "But you clearly believe the people responsible for those two boys' deaths were working for someone else?" "Yes." "And that they were involved in a criminal enterprise of surprising scope and sweep?" "Yes." "Where does that lead you to speculate?" "As a prosecuting attorney I had to stick to the facts. But prior to getting to a jury I'm allowed to speculate, and process all the information I have from whatever direction it comes. What in my opinion has been involved is a CIA or rogue CIA operation, conducted by the CIA or CIA operatives. To smuggle drugs into the United States from South America, using Barry Seal's drug smuggling operation in Mena. Duffey stopped a moment, surprised, I believe, at the thoughts she was voicing. Then she continued. "I believe there is a possibility that Oliver North was involved with the National Security Council; that Oliver North was working for.... A noise startled her. She stopped. I called for the cameraman, in some exasperation, to stop tape. Jean looked at me, and although we had been having a conversation for over an hour now, it was as if she saw me for the first time. "I have not talked about this before," she protested. "But everyone else has," I answered. "I'm not the one to answer questions about Oliver North smuggling drugs in the Iran/Contra affair," she stated tentatively. Then, I witnessed something that felt extraordinary. I watched as she let herself go... Her voice grew stronger as she continued: "Again, sticking to the facts, I know that when North was before Congress in the Congressional Hearings about the Iran/Contra affair, two questions came up about Mena Arkansas. And both times, the investigation went into closed door session... "Now, if Oliver North had not been involved in Mena, wouldn't he have simply said, 'No, I don't know anything about Mena?" "Why did the committee go behind closed doors? That's a fact that can't be ignored." "This is an opinion now I'm asking for," I told her. "If Oliver North, or someone on Oliver North's level, had not been involved in Mena, there would not have been a Mena, would there?" "That's a reasonable assumption that I would have to agree with." "And if there had been no Mena, there would have been no train track deaths either, would there?" She blinked. I wasn't sure if she knew where I was leading with these questions, but she sensed it was somewhere she wanted to think very closely about first. "That's not as clear cut," she said slowly. "There could still have been the murders." "Let me try it this way," I said. "Was even a powerful drug smuggler like Barry Seal big enough to have conducted a drug smuggling operation with the regularity to provoke citizen complaints about low flying aircraft?" "Probably not. And in fact, it wasn't until the time frame after Oliver North got involved in Mena that there was so much drug activity, low flying planes, over those train tracks." I took a deep breath. "So, does it seem at all possible to you, that if Oliver North had not been charged with flying guns to the contras and bringing back cocaine that could be then sold to finance the contra war,that those two boys might still be alive today?" There was a long silence. Then, almost in a whisper, she replied. "It seems apparent that they would be." * * * * * * * * * * THE SECRET HISTORY So, we'd stared into the Heart of Darkness. The Heart of Darkness had stared right back. Allegations and speculation are not proof. The truth, indeed, is still out there. But, for what little they're worth, here are my speculations about our journey into the secret history of our life and times. I don't believe that the 'drug smuggler' Billy Bob Bottoms is any more a drug smuggler than you or I. I believe him to be a paid representative of the government of the United States of America acting under the doctrines of plausible deniability. Why? Just a hunch. I liked him too much. He was a Navy pilot. His brother in law Barry Seal was a Special Op guy. These were our best and our bravest men. Here's what I would like to know. Who convinced men like Bear Bottoms that what they were doing was in the best interests of our country? What valid reasons might there be for our country's national security apparatus to be involved in the drug industry? Unless someone steps forward to make the argument for why this might be in our national interest, I'll wonder. And here's what I've learned. Some things we'll never know for sure. The opposition's way too good for that. For example, I'm convinced, to the depths of my heart, that there was a coup d'etat in the United States of America in 1963. That the bad guys never got caught. And that, chances are, they still run things. I will never, as long as I live, forget our 'Midnight ride to Mena,' seated beside tour guide and American hero Russell Welch. I'm convinced that what I saw there that night was a fully functional and operational secret government installation. By that, I do not mean a secret installation of the government of the United States of America. Unh-uh. What I believe I saw, and what I believe exists in Mena, Arkansas today... is an installation of the secret government that runs the government of the United States of America. And here's what I suspect: that today, long after Oliver North has become nothing but a minor league radio DJ... and long after the contra war is just a fading memory of yet another minor league war, our government--yours and mine--is going about the lucrative worldwide business of drug production and distribution. It's the secret heartbeat of America. And it's as American as apple pie. Daniel Hopsicker January 29,1997 All rights reserved. [Daniel Hopsicker has now finished the TV documentary mentioned in this story, as well as a book. A tape of the documentary as well as a pre-publication version of the book are available through the Washington Weekly web site at: http://www.federal.com.] Published in the May 12, 1997 Issue of The Washington Weekly. Non-commercial reposting permitted with this message intact. Forwarded article from Larry-Jennie ; may not contain poster's opinions. Jai Maharaj http://www.flex.com/~jai Om Shanti Subject: Mena Airport, C-123s & More From: Larry-Jennie Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 20:06:40 -0700 Message-ID: <338A4FC0.14A3@interaccess.com> Organization: InterAccess, Chicago's best Internet Service Provider Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.impeach.clinton,alt.president.clinton, alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.org.fbi,alt.journalism, alt.news-media,alt.politics.media,alt.politics.usa.republican, talk.politics.drugs (Russell Welch is a retired Arkansas State Police investigator) Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 17:26:50 -0500 From: truegrit (Russell Welch) To: lar-jen@interaccess.com Larry: The Mena Airport is located about one mile from the southwestern city limits of Mena. It is still in a relatively densely populated area. A major highway (by local standards), Ark. State Hwy. 8, runs within about one or two hundred feet of the north edge of the runway. You can legally park your car and walk to the end of the strip. A major county road runs along the west side of the airport, giving access to the businesses on that side of the runway. The hangers are no more than 30 or 40 feet off the road. Another major county road runs along the south end of the strip, about 300 feet (maybe more) from the south edge of the strip. Again, you can legally park your car and walk out there is you want to. These are major thorough fares, by local standards. They all have a lot of daily traffic. A short state maintained hwy runs along the east end of the runway, Ark State Hwy 980. This hwy runs maybe half the length of the strip. After that it turns into a dirt road and provides access to private land and residences. A local bootlegger used to live down that road. The area surrounding the airport is peppered with houses. In addition to that, immediately accross the road from the airport, on the west side, there is a housing sub-division. Across the highway on the north side, there is a trailer park. I'll scan a map of the area and send it to you. My house is located about a mile-and-a-half northwest of the airport. Al Hadaways house is about a mile due north of the airport. You can't land or take off, using the north approach, without going directly over Hadaway's house. You couldn't fire up the engines of the C-123 without hearing it from my house, and there's a hill between my house and the airport. From Hadaway's house, I would be surprized if you couldn't feel the walls shake a little bit. During that time, when Hadaway wasn't working at being a sheriff, he was at the airport. He was a pilot and loved aviation. He eventually quit the sheriff's office, after being completely worn down (burned out) as a result of the Seal investigation. His response to the media, when he quit was, "How can I arrest people for relatively minor drug offenses when cocaine smugglers go untouched?" Most of the laborers who worked at the Mena Airport were local citizens with families who took part in all of the social affairs of the community. I went to church with some of them. One of my fellow church members actually worked at Rich Mountain Aviation while Seal was there. A good man with a good family. Unfortunately, Freddie Hampton was able to moniter me at church and this man would get harrassed and intimidated for so much as shaking hands with me during fellowship. I never put him and his family into jeopardy by soliciting information from him, but towards the end, he got tired of the intimidation and started volunteering information to me. The local people have watched activity at the Mena Airport and don't approve of any illegal activity. Local policticians and certain businessmen have ranted for years that adverse publicity is hurting the airport and "local people are tired of it." That's wrong. Local people are tired of illegal activity at the airport; but, know that they need to keep their mouths shut. In Arkansas truth is declared by the people with the power. Those who try to oppose that, can get squashed. The safest and easiest thing for them to do, is to keep their mouths shut and enjoy their families. That's why I had some consternation as I saw that my involvement in an investigation was becoming inevitable. I knew that I would be on my own and essentially living with the enemy. There was no place for me to go and be anonymous. Although, Billy Bottoms says that all of Seal's people were non-violent, it would have been stupid for me to think that, at the time. On top of all of this, being in a small town, there was a constant flow of information, mixed with a gernerous smattering of gossip. People were constantly calling me to give me information on a wide range of subjects, including activity at the airport. It was the same way with Hadaway. When Seal flew the C-123 away, for the final time, I could hear the engines firing up over the air conditioner at my house. I still got two telephone calls from people telling that Seal was about to leave in the Fat Lady. I went out to the airport and watched for a while as they worked on it at Rich Mountain Aviation. When it appeared that they would not be leaving any time soon, I went back home. A couple of hours later, I heard the engines fire up again. This time I got four telephone calls. I went back out to the airport and found the C-123 at the north end of the runway. I parked directly across from it on the east side of the runway, at Rose Upholstry. He tinkered with it for a while and then gave it some gas. Flames shot out behing the engines for about 20 feet. If anybody had been in the car with me, we would not have been able to talk because of the noise. A C-123 makes a lot of noise. I know that Seal could see me because I was right across from him and he looked my way a couple of times. I watched to see if he would flip me off as he began his take-off. He didn't pay any attention to me. I guess he was busy flying the plane. As I was leaving the airport I stopped and talked to an acquantance at the one of the hangers. He made some jokes about the Fat Lady and I went back home. The point I'm trying to make is that, sure - the C-123 could have made some trips without Hadaway or me knowing about it; but, there were so many people at and around that airport that it was impossible for it to come and go without somebody knowing. Very few of the people that live next to the airport have anything to do with the businesses there. Some of them did not mind reporting suspicious activity on occasion. Jack Rose of Rose Upholstry volunteered his business to me for surveillance at night time. Everybody knew that Seal was a cocaine smuggler and at least some of the other businessmen didn't like the fact that Freddie Hampton had brought him to their airport. I can say that the C-123 left at least a couple of times. Maybe, it left three of four times; but, I don't think so. The area around the strip at Nella is also relatively congested. A major county road runs along one end of the strip. While Seal was active at the Mena airport, there was a thin line of saplings grown up between the strip and the county road. The sapplings are cleared off now. You can park your car on the side of the county road and walk a few feet onto the strip. Another road, that appears to be kept up by the county runs along the other end of the strip. A private drive, with public access runs along the north edge of the Nella strip. Nonetheless, on at least one occasion two game wardens were rudely ordered away from one of these roads by men who identified themselves as federal agents. The game wardens were responding to a complaint of night hunters. But, that's another story; much of which hasn't been made public. I'm sure we can get into that later. There are houses scattered out all over that area. This area of the Ouachita National Forest has been used for years for some Special Forces Training. Back in the 80's Fort Chaffee, at Fort Smith, about 85 miles north of Mena, was converted to what they call a "Joint Readiness Training Center." I found out from a newspaper clipping on the west coast, read to me by a federal investigator, that, included in the JRTC mission, was the training of South and Central American military forces. There was some reason for me to believe that they mayhave crossed over that line when they used the area to train El Salvadorian assassins. Seal probably thought that the things he said and did at Rich Mountain Aviation were kept in confidence but that was not the case. As soon as Seal left, Freddie would tell somebody and before long it would spread over a wide area. After Seal started doing some legal stuff, I'm sure that Freddie couldn't wait to tell someone. As soon as Seal told Freddie Hampton or Joe Evans that he was bringing in a C-123 to do a sting with the DEA, the story was bound to spread, and Hadaway, without a doubt would have been one of the first to hear it. There was another C-123. As far as I know, this other plane never came to Mena. It was camouflaged like the Fat Lady. It was being monitored by the Oklahoma Bureau of Narcotics and a sheriff's office, two counties into Oklahoma from Mena. The OBN dealt with me on the subject because they thought it was the same plane that was parked at Mena. We were able to determine that it was not the same plane. We made that determination one day when the OBN called me and asked me to go to the Mena Airport and see if the Fat Lady was there because they had their camouflaged C-123 in the air at that time. I went to airport and observed the Fat Lady. Hence, two C-123's. This information has not been freely given out, in the past, so that many of the charletains have not been able to weave it into their story. It has been provided to an investigative unit out of DC. For the same reason that I can say that the Fat Lady rarely moved, I think I can say that this other C-123 never came to Mena. I've heard the suggestion that, maybe when the Fat Lady took off the other plane came and sat at the same place, so nobody would know that the Fat Lady was missing. Maybe that did happen, but it would have been so obvious, and based on the other kinds of information that I was getting from the airport at the same time, I can not conceive of that occuring without me, Hadaway, and just about everybody else in the Mena area knowing about it. At the very least, it would have been foolish for anybody to try that and not expect to be caught at it. The Mena airport is not out in the middle of nowhere. It's almost in the middle of Mena. It's been my experience, since 1987, that they don't try to be too clandestine with so called "covert activity," anyway. If they want to do something they'd just do it and lie about it. It's not easy to catch a dirty cop. If you catch him in the act of doing something, he's just going to say it was part of an ongoing investigation; and, the chances are you're going to have a hard time proving otherwise. You may have actually had a smoking gun, but it gets turned around on you, and there's not much you can do about it. While I was still investigating, I had the opportunity to go to Southern Air Transport, in Miami. It was just a small olive green quantset hut, sandwiched in between some larger hangers. By small I mean "size small." If you're familiar with quantset huts, you know what I mean. They didn't even have their own hanger. Larry, I hope this helps. It seems like there was another question that you asked. I'll check and get back with you. Below is part of an email that I sent to Hopsicker, before my patience ran out with him. I've got a great deal of my own documentation that I have never made available. It's possible that my documentation, along with my personal experience will help to clear up a lot of questions (and expose some charletains). Unfortunately finding a good outlet has not been easy. Publishers are hesitant to deal with the subject. Short posts on the Internet seem to raise more questions than they answer; although, I'm more than glad to answer your questions. I had hoped that Hopsicker might provide an outlet; but, he has his own agenda. You have my permission to post all of this. Best Wishes, Russ >From '86 until the Gulf War, there annual war games stages out of Mena,called "Coronet Centry." The army brought missile launchers, field radar, various weapons and supplies and had a war game for a week or two. They put all of this stuff up on peoples property around Mena. The mayor (same one who tried to get the Cali Cartel to keep doing business here) gave speeches about what a boost the local economy was getting from the military. There was some reason to believe that not all of the supplies were returned to supply. One BATF agent asked me to help him with an investigation of gun running at the Mena airport. He told me that he had an informant in Little Rock who had been tested on another case. The informant was the ex-wife of an Army Colonel. She wanted to snitch off her husband for his part in running guns out of the Mena Airport. I wasn't anxious to turn up the heat on the frying pan that I was already in, but I said that I would help. He called me three of four times as he was preparing to start his investigation. The last time he called me, he said that he had talked to his boss, Bill Buford, who as far as I know still runs the Little Rock BATF office. Bill Buford told him that he would authorize the investigation, but warned him that several "BATF agents had lost their jobs" as a result of the Mena Airport. This is the only time that I have ever heard and I don't know anymore about it. The agent said that the warning was serious enough that he wasn't going to start his investigation. I've given this information to certain investigative bodies out of Washington DC. It's my understanding that they were never able to get any cooperation out the BATF. At the risk of getting a rumour started let me say that I think the BATF agent I talked to was the same one killed at Waco. If it wasn't the same one, let the BATF fork up the right agent and tell what he knows. I raised my right hand for the DC investigators and said,"I swear to God Almighty and put me on polygraph." If they're not getting any cooperation from the BATF that's probably as far as it will go. I tried to get them in touch with Bill Hobbs, a BATF agent that retired after the Waco siege. He said that Waco was the last straw for him. If he can remember, I feel like he will know something about the aborted investigation. Bill Hobbs is a good man. He lives in Tennessee. I had information in the 80's that M-16's were available that came out of the Mena NG Armory. The source of the M-16's was member of the NG that worked at the armory. Later, he and a full time NG seargent were arrest for the offense. They were also trying to sell LAWS missiles. The arrest took place in Dequeen, about 45 miles south of Mena. They had to take them to Fort Smith immediately to appear before a magistrate (Federal law)so they came through Mena. There were five marked police cars from Dequeen, with blues and sirens busting through the red lights in Mena. It looked like the Sugarland Express. There was no publicity and the offenders plead (pleded?) guilty to minor charges. There has been talk of a new east/west runway at the Mena Airport since about 1987. Originally, it was going to be built by the military. An army engineer unit was parachute in and build the thing. The work would be done for free and the army would get the training for building a combat zone airport. The early plans even had barracks on them. This fell threw, aparently because of adverse publicity and curious questions that local business men and politicians attributed to me. All I could say was, "Hey, if it's legal why did they stop just because somebody asked what they were doing?" Later when the C-130's started coming in, a ground engineer from Australia told me that when they came here they intended to use the Mena Airport for some black ops, as well as, legitimate jobs. After they got here, they found it to be such a great location that they didn't intend to do anything except black ops. They were going to fence in the entire airport, set up their own security, and not let anybody in without an ID badge pinned on. These intentions were actually placed in the local newspaper. The fence and security part of the deal got some local publicity. About 50 feet of the fence was actually put in at Rich Mountain Aviation. If you can remember, I showed that to you. Hampton stated in the local newspaper that the fence was being put in by the USG because of high level government contracts at the Mena Airport. Hampton said he was working on top secret stuff for the Strategic Defense Initiative (Starwars) out of Kwagalein, in the South Pacific. Gene Wheaton called the Pentagon. The Pentagon made an official statement that they did not put up a fence at the Mena Airport and there were no high level contracts at the Mena Airport. RMA had been given a small contract to do skin maintenance on some of their airplanes that were being used in the Marshall Islands. That stretch of fence is now a monument to Freddie Hampton's bullshit. The ground engineer also stated that the project, which included a new 7000' east/west runway, was going to be financed with $10 million from a man in Washington who owned a professional ball club. When things drug on because of me and publicity, he had to stick the money somewhere else because of the IRS. What they were putting together here sounds a whole lot like a military base. The north/south runway was repaved in 1983, I've got some surveillance photos of Seal's stuff while it was being paved. I think it's about 5,300 feet long. They have been trying to get a 7000' east/west runway since '86 or 87'. They wanted an ILS system for the new runway but the FAA kept turning them down because a part of the flight path goes through a mountain near my house. A month after I was taken off their problem list (retired) the FAA reconsidered and granted approval to the plans. Federal money was offered for the project which is under way right now. Subject: Starr Targets Arkansas Law Enforcement From: lar-jen@interaccess.com (Larry-Jennie) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 21:58:05 -0600 Message-ID: Organization: InterAccess,Chicagoland's Full Service Internet Provider Newsgroups: alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater not to be used for commercial purposes Starr Investigation Targets Law-Enforcement Complicity By Jamie Dettmer and Paul M. Rodriguez INSIGHT magazine: May 29 1995 An ongoing money-laundering probe, led by independent counsel Kenneth W. Starr, is churning up details of possible state and law-enforcement ties to criminal misconduct in Arkansas. In the late 1980s during the swirl of Iran-Contra allegations about narcotics trafficking and weapons shipments, senior officer in the Arkansas State Police began a methodical operation to destroy sensitive documents linking some of the state's most prominent political and business figures to illegal activities - spin-offs from Marine Lt. Col. Oliver North's cover arms for hostages deals. Arkansas connection to Iran-Contra were, at the time, obscured nationally. Attention was riveted on Washington, Ronald Reagan and North's manic shredding of files detailing the "enterprise" that provided arms for the release of American hostages in the Middle East and guns for the Nicaraguan Contras. Arkansas seemed a long way from the action in the nation's capital. Until Bill Clinton ran for president, an Arkansas dimension to Iran-Contra remained ignored by mainstream news organizations and federal officials. Now though, what in the 1980s has moved to center stage. It's not just shady land deals surfacing, but widespread wrongdoing by the state politico-business establishment that behaved as though it was above the law - and with the help of police officers, was allowed to be. The conspiracy theorist, of course, have run riot and attempted to pin all the blame for misdeeds in Arkansas on Clinton. But what slowly is unfolding is a far more complicated story of negligence, opportunism and rank exploitation by a one-party political system that bent the rules and turned a blind eye to alleged criminal activity when it was carried out by some of its own. Enter KWS. As the independent counsel pursues the money trail of Clinton and his wife, Hillary, in a land deal called Whitewater, the inner workings of Arkansas government and law enforcement are coming under the spotlight. What KWS is finding, according to a former senior federal official familiar with the probe, is a good-ole-boy network of "corruption and obstruction" in a state seemingly awash in narcotics money - some almost certainly of Iran-Contra origin and some from more home-grown enterprises. INSIGHT now has learned that Starr's team of more than 125 FBI and IRS agents and U.S. attorneys are investigating what appears, on the surface, to be unrelated aspects of the Whitewater deal. His investigators are delving heavily into Arkansas narcotics and homicide cases, some of which have remained unsolved for years. And what is being uncovered, according to federal and state officials who agreed to be interviewed, is layer upon layer of complicity by state and local law-enforcement agencies and a maze of allegations that has investigators widening their inquiries at every turn. One of the most startling discoveries so far is an extensive and regular pattern of document shredding in the late 1980s on the orders of senior state police officials. According to law-enforcement sources in Little Rock, the shredded documents were federal and state intelligence records and police investigators' files on prominent Arkansans. Some, such as businessman Dan Lasater, were significant contributors to Clinton's gubernatorial campaigns. Also shredded was material on the murky drug-running and arms- smuggling operation based at the Mena Intermountain Regional Airport (see INSIGHT, Jan. 30, 1995). The shredding, which was conducted in a tiny office in the office in the state police headquarters, was furtive and known only by a handful of officers at the highest levels in the Arkansas State Police - that is, until Starr's investigator (missing) nessmen with close ties to Clinton personally. The destruction of documents was at its most intense in 1988 and 1989. Col. Tommy Goodwin, former Arkansas State Police commander, says, "I am not aware of any documents that were shredded." Former state troopers, who in the 1980s attempted to investigate prominent Arkansas allegedly involved in the cocaine parties and drug sales, are not surprised by the disclosures of the shredding. Julius "Doc" Delaughter claims he resigned from the state police in 1988 after his superiors blocked the mounting of certain inquiries. He recalls how documents concerning other cases, such as the Lasater investigation, would turn up missing. "A deposition I took from a friend of Lasater was stolen off my desk and was never seen again," says Delaughter. The deposition Delaughter says he secured could have proved embarrassing for then-Gov. Clinton if it had been leaked. It dealt with a cocaine party allegedly organized by Lasater in Hot Springs, Ark., hotel suite. The party hastily ended with the arrival of Clinton, who was scheduled to meet with Lasater. Lasater subsequently was convicted of cocaine distribution and sentenced to prison. In another case, a state police captain was apparently so concerned by the regular destruction of potentially embarrassing material that he maintained for safekeeping a copy of a lengthy memorandum revealing that a Mena-based drug-running suspect was allowed to consult investigators' telephone records with the knowledge of Goodwin, who retired last June. According to the memo, a copy of which INSIGHT has obtained, the suspect a former state narcotics officer, learned from his search of the phone logs that state trooper were cooperating with the FBI agents on a probe of Barry Seal, a notorious, confessed drug trafficker who claimed, before his assassination in 1986 at the hands of Colombian hit men, to have been part of North's Iran-Contra operations. The 10-page memo provides a revealing look into the close- knit world of Arkansas law enforcement. Written on Jan. 9, 1987, by Lt. Doug Williams (now a captain), the memo, which was sent to his superior officer, Capt. Doug Stevens, related how the suspect requested help in learning the nature of the investigations being mounted at Mena airport and into himself and his associates. The suspect complained to Williams that the "local sheriff's office had started watching the airport." He mentioned he had visited a senior state police officer, Maj. Richard Rail, "which he did often," and that they had talked about how investigators charged long-distance calls to state credit cards. According to the Williams memo: "He [the suspect] stated that he took most of the day at the capitol building checking these [telephone] records and that the gentleman that was helping him there told him he could not copy these records; however, he could sit down with the records and make hand notes from them and that Colonel Goodwin had been advised of his being there and periodically checked back to see if he was still there and each time the colonel checked back, the man would walk in and say Mr. Goodwin just called back to see if you were still here and how you were doing." Rules governing public access to state police phone records and credit cards should have restrained the suspect. According to Wayne Jordan, a spokesman for the Arkansas State Police, records connected with active intelligence operations and ongoing probes are strictly off-limits. Only when cases are closed, according to Jordan, are records available for public inspection; then any inspection requires a Freedom of Information Act request and approval by the head of the Arkansas State Police. The complex events surrounding Mena-the clandestine flights of guns and drugs in the dead of night; the peculiar stifling of local investigations as well as probes mounted by federal and even less to do with Clinton. But Starr's investigators seem to be convinced, based on their questions to witnesses and requests for documents, that the flow of drug profits and the alleged diversion of that money into businesses in Arkansas and even into Clinton's campaign finances warrant major investigation. In his bid to trace donations to the then governor's election coffers, the independent counsel's FBI agents have reviewed thousands of pages of case files connected to suspected narcotics operations and money laundering by reputed criminals in Arkansas and surrounding jurisdictions. Starr's investigators also begun question the Mena pilots responsible for air-dropping sturdy duffel bags full of Central American cocaine and cash at pre-arranged sites in Arkansas. "The Feds are primarily interested in money-laundering activities," says Joe Evans, one of the pilots interrogated recently. "The questioning had to do with where the money was coming from, where the money was going. They asked me from which banks in the U.S. or internationally the money originated. They asked me how frequent were the flights and how large were the shipments." During the interview with Evans, Starr's investigators also were interested in a mysterious and as-yet-unsolved double homicide near Little Rock in 1987 that has been the subject of considerable local controversy. Again, it is money laundering that seems to be foremost in the minds of Starr's investigators as they review the cold-case files concerning the murders of teenagers Don Henry and Kevin Ives, who were found stabbed and bludgeoned on railroad tracks along the Pulaski-Saline county line on the outskirts of Little Rock. INSIGHT has learned that the double homicide also is the subject of a separate FBI investigation and that a grand jury has been impaneled in Little Rock to take testimony in the case. The targets of that investigation, according to sources, are a handful of suspected drug dealers from northwest Arkansas, a Little Rock prosecutor and several former members of the sheriff's departments in Pulaski and Saline counties. Two of the alleged drug dealers under suspicion in the murders were mentioned regularly in Arkansas State Police intelligence files, copies of which INSIGHT has obtained, contain raw and unsubstantiated allegations about wrongdoing by a number of prominent businessmen in Arkansas. There have been many theories put forth to explain the murders of Henry and Ives. A persistent one argues that the teenagers stumbled upon a Mena narcotics drop site shortly before drugs were due to be unloaded. This theory appears to have caught the attention of Starr's team. Mena pilots have been asked about a drop site code-named "A-12" by the smugglers. They also have been asked about "Flight 50" - all Mena flights were numbered - which coincided with the date and time of the boys' deaths. Starr's investigators have interviewed several convicted drug offenders in Arkansas prisons who are believed to be connected to the homicides of Henry and Ives. Current and former members of Congress and law-enforcement officers who have looked into the Mena drug and money- laundering operations long have suspected that there was - and continues to be - complicity by people at both the state and federal levels to keep a lid on the events in Arkansas during the 1980s and early 1990s. They believe that what began under the guise of national security involving Iran- Contra blossomed into an extensive, tangled conspiracy to hide the links between Mena and nonfederal corruption through out the region. "Starr should be investigating the Arkansas police," says a former high ranking federal official who worked behind the scenes to put together pieces of the Mena puzzle. "What is coming to light now is that there was a broad-based conspiracy to hide the truth drug conspiracies and the latest turns in the Starr inquiry. "I could never understand why no one went down this path before," says Bill Duncan, a former IRS agent and congressional investigator who for three years tried to secure indictments in connection with Mena drug smuggling. In a confidential memorandum to House Judiciary subcommittee on crime dated Oct. 8, 1991, Duncan wrote: "On this date I received a telephone call from Paul Whitmore concerning a conversation which he had just overheard at the El Paso Intelligence Center. Whitmore related that, just minutes ago, he heard the Central Intelligence Agency EPIC Resident Agent tell the U.S. Customs EPIC Resident Agent that the CIA still has ongoing operations out of the Mena, Ark., Airport, but that 'some other guys' are still operating out of the airport also, and that one of the operations at the airport is laundering money." Whitmore was the IRS agent stationed at EPIC, formally called the El Paso Intelligence agencies. Duncan's memo concluded: "The CIA agent then told the Customs Agent that if the laundering of cash was a par of Customs Operations, he wasn't going to worry about it. According to Whitmore, they also discussed checking the registration of various aircraft which are currently at the Mena, Ark., Airport." For Duncan, the memo is just one more piece of evidence pointing to "a bizarre mixture of drug smuggling, gun running and money laundering." [Three photos accompany the article. 1. Photo of Goodwin. 2. Photo of a C-123 cargo plane at Mena. 3. Photos of Henry and Ives. INSIGHT is a weekly news magazine published by Washington Times Corp Subject: MENA REDACTIONS: Rich Mountain & Fred Hampton From: lar-jen@interaccess.com (Larry-Jennie) Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 11:07:50 -0600 Message-ID: Organization: InterAccess,Chicagoland's Full Service Internet Provider Newsgroups: alt.politics.org.fbi,alt.conspiracy,alt.impeach.clinton, alt.president.clinton,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush, alt.current-events.arkansas.mena,alt.politics.corruption.mena, alt.politics.usa.republican Note the deletions in this sworn deposition about Mena cocaine trafficking: Excerpt from: In December 1996, the Portland Free Press secured a copy of Richard Brenneke's 21 June 1991 sworn deposition before Congressman William Alexander, Jr., and Chad Farris, chief deputy attorney general of Arkansas. Mr. Alexander did the direct questioning and Bushman Court Reporting, Inc., did the recording. Q. And when you landed at Mena, what would be the disposition of the cargo? A. On one or two occasions the cargo was taken off by people who were not residents of the Mena area and put into other aircraft which departed from there. However, the most frequent activity was that the aircraft would be unloaded in front of [deleted]'s hangers and it would be stored in the back of the hanger.... Q. And go back in your mind to the first trip you took and describe to me the disposition of the cargo; that is, the cocaine, once it returned to Arkansas, once it was delivered to Arkansas? And I am especially I am particularly interested in the identification of persons other than [deleted]. You've talked about [deleted]. You've identified him. Can you identify other people who might have received this cocaine? (He talks about Gotti and the New York Mob.) *** Excerpt from: "Truth on Mena, Seal shrouded in shady allegations Drug smuggling rumors just won't die" By Michael Arbanas THE ARKANSAS GAZETTE December 22, 1990 A similar tale, though in a broader setting, is told by Richard Brenneke, a Portland, Ore., businessman who claims a history as a CIA contractor and whose name has come up several times during the Iran-Contra investigations. Brenneke said in an August interview with Duncan, who is now pursuing the investigation as a private citizen, that he flew as many as six shipments into the Mena airport from Panama from 1983 to 1986 as part of a CIA-sponsored effort to supply the Contras. He laundered money for the operation, Brenneke said, and ferried Latin Americans, mostly Panamanian Defense Forces, to Mena for training in the Ouachita National Forest. Brenneke said he got his instructions from CIA contacts and carried several groups of 10 to 40 Latin Americans for training, dropping them off in their civilian clothes at Rich Mountain. He said he had made three or four trips to the Nella airstrip. He met Seal once at the airport, he said, but Seal was not part of the same operation as far as he could tell. He also claimed to have seen an associate of John Gotti, the reputed New York mobster, at the airport, saying he knew the man from earlier money-laundering operations. Brenneke is not one of the Bush administration's favorite people, and officials have loudly attacked his credibility. He has, though, shown himself on occasion to know more about the international arms trade than the average real estate property manager. He first drew media attention in November 1986, when The New York Times reported that he had written a series of memos to the United States government in late 1985 and early 1986 asking to get in on a deal to sell arms to Iran. The story hit the newsstands just days after Attorney General Edwin Meese said on national television that only a few top administration figures and private consultants knew about the deal. This year, Brenneke was acquitted of five counts of perjury. He was charged with lying in 1988 when he told a federal judge that he had participated in 1980 meetings in Paris in which Reagan campaign officials cut a deal with Iran to postpone the release of the 52 American hostages in the American Embassy in Tehran until after Reagan won his election challenging President Jimmy Carter. Paramilitary reports Reed's and Brenneke's accounts don't seem too far-fetched to Welch, who said state police and local sheriff's offices got regular reports of automatic weapons fire, low-flying planes and small groups of uniformed men crossing streams and roads in the National Forest. "There was talk of paramilitary activity in the forest between the Nella community and Lake Ouachita," Welch said. "We thought maybe it was somebody like the CSA (the Covenant, the Sword, and the Arm of the Lord, a white supremacist paramilitary group that operated in Northern Arkansas during that era)." *** From: "Bear Bottoms" To: "The ciadrugs mailing list" Cc: "cas list" Subject: ciadrugs] Re: Black Eagle? Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 17:41:00 -0500 I have a unredacted version. Implant Fred Hampton and Rich Mountain aviation in the redacted area. *** What National Security roles or secrets were being protected when "Rich Mountain" and "Fred Hampton" were blacked out in the sworn deposition? Note how the deposition was released only this past December, so the National Security redaction justification remained active. Larry $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$ $$ $$ The CIA cocaine smuggling on behalf of the Contras $$ $$ through Mena, Arkansas corrupted the Presidencies $$ $$ of Bill Clinton, George Bush and Ronald Reagan. $$ $$ For details, see: $$ $$ ftp://pencil.cs.missouri.edu/pub/mena/ $$ $$ $$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Subject: The Heart of the Octopus From: wmcguire@cybercom.net (Wayne McGuire) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 07:27:52 GMT Message-ID: <33b2dc6c.138891473@news.harvardnet.com> Organization: Kersur Technologies Newsgroups: alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater Randolph, My ISP lately has been failing to receive a goodly number of important posts in this newsgroup. I discovered your post below, which is excellent, on Alta Vista. A brief comment: I think this information is getting exceedingly close to the heart of the Octopus, which involves a criminal conspiracy between the Mossad and a corrupted wing of the CIA. The conspiracy perhaps began with the October Surprise, continued with Iran-Contra and Mena, and is alive and well in dominating pockets of the Clinton administration. It is not a shock that Chinagate has the look and feel of Iran-Contra; the same political forces are probably at work in the current scandal. I wouldn't be surprised to see the uncorrupted wing of the American national security and intelligence communities begin to take on this problem in a truly serious way in the near future. My source on Amiram Nir's involvement in Mena is Terry Reed's "Compromised." --- BEGIN --- Re: Foster & Mena & JQP Distorts From Randolph Langley Organization Florida State University Date 26 May 1997 04:46:10 -0400 Newsgroups alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater Message-ID wmcguire@cybercom.net (Wayne McGuire) writes: > > jqp@globaldialog.com wrote: > > >Wayne McGuire wrote: > >> > >> jqp@globaldialog.com wrote: > >> > >> >Larry-Jennie wrote: > >> >> > >> >> In article <3388493F.7D2E@globaldialog.com> jqp@globaldialog.com writes: > >> >> > >> >> >Larry-Jennie wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> In article <5m8lfe$76q@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> jmoore3@ix.netcom.com(John > >> >> >Moore ) writes: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >You're being stupid JQP. Tossing away evidence without justification > >> >> >> >other than personal whim is arrogant and stupid. > >> >> > >> >> Larry-Jennie wrote: > >> >> >> JQP does that all the time. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> He claims no cocaine came into Mena via Barry Seal's organization. > >> >> > >> >> John Q. Public wrote: > >> >> >Trying to drag another thread off topic, Lar? > >> >> > >> >> No. I was pointing to another example how John Q. Public tries to > >> >> control discussion through distortion and bullying. He has to semar > >> >> since he can't argue the evidence and testimony. > >> >> > >> >> Also, there is a linkage between Vince Foster and Mena. > >> > > >> > > >> >Trying to drag another thread off topic, Larry? > >> > > >> >This one used to be about Foster and CW, until you showed up. > >> > >> I think you and Martin McPhillips are > >> part of the same campaign that harassed > >> Patrick Knowlton and entrapped Chuck > >> Hayes. I think you are here to bury the > >> truth, not to expose it. I think you in > >> particular are especially nervous about > >> Mena because Israel was involved in the > >> operation and related operations. > > > >Looky here! Wayne's wading in on Mena, and > >guess what? He says it was *the Jews*! > > No, I am saying the terrorism adviser > for Menachem Begin, Amiram Nir, was > involved in Mena. That means that the > Israeli government was heavily involved > in Mena, and probably in every other > illegal operation run by the Reagan > administration and CIA director Bill > Casey. Nir? What's your source on that? That would be a most interesting connection. Nir was a principal in the whole Iran-Contra mess; the book "By Way of Deception"[*] has a most interesting few pages [327-331] on this, which by the oddest chance I was reading today. Speaking of books, the book "Dangerous Liaison"[**] does indeed place the Israelis front and center in Oliver North's drug and gun running schemes, although Nir is not specifically mentioned. Mike Harari is prominent, however. On pages 254 and 255 the Cockburns write: [ed: Quoting Blandon] "Harari was part of a powerful network, a more complete network --- the Israelis. The most important country to supply arms to Central America between 1980 and 1983, especially in Guatemala and El Salvador, was Israel. From 1983 to 1985, the most important network to supply arms to the contras was this [ed: Harari's] network." The Israeli arms conduit preceded the host of U.S. operatives who later flooded the region, airlifting arms until one of their planes was shot down over Nicaragua in October 1986, thus exposing the operation. But there was reluctance on Capitol Hill to go into precisely what Israel had contributed. With literally hundreds of tons of captured weapons from PLO stocks shipped at the request of Casey, with seasoned Israeli military trainers like Emil Sa'ada and Amatzia Shuali in the field, and with the Panamanian operation run by Mike Harari, the contribution was substantial. There was, however, a rather delicate problem with the Harari arrangement: his reported involvement in the cocaine trade. According to Blandon, "Harari was part of the Noriega business. They moved the cocaine from Colombia to Panama." From there the former intelligence adviser explained, the product was transshipped to "airstrips in Costa Rica or Honduras and on to the United States. Since the beginning of the supply of arms to the contras, the same infrastructure that was used for arms was used for drugs. The same pilots, the same planes, the same airstrips, the same people." As the former Panamanian consul general saw it, the cartel used Noriega's involvement with the contras to gain access to the facilities of the cover war while "Noriega used the connections that Harari had in Israel and they put together a complete business." When asked whether the CIA knew of the dark side of Harari's business dealings, Blandon stated that the agency had known of Noriega's involvement with the Colombian cartels since 1980 and that "since 1980, Israel has supplied arms in Central America... and the relationship between Israel and the United States in terms of these things is so close that I don't believe the United States didn't know about that." The United States certainly did know that some of the arms destined for the contras were purchased with drug money. That was made very clear in the diaries of Oliver North. This goes on in the same vein, exploring interconnects between Israel and the CIA in the Iran-Contra affair. While Nir (apparently) did not survive this whole contretemps [B.W.O.D., pages 328-329], Harari retired to Israel and built "an impressive house in a posh enclave outside Tel Aviv." [D.L., page 259]. Oh well. Who says crime doesn't pay? Certainly not the Clintonites, or Mike Harari. rdl [*] "By Way of Deception: The Making and Unmaking of a Mossad Officer" by Victor Ostrovsky and Claire Hoy. ISBN is 0-312-05613-3. [**] "Dangerous Liaison: The Inside Story of the U.S.-Israeli Covert Relationship" by Andrew and Leslie Cockburn. ISBN is 0-06-016444-1. --- END --- -- Wayne McGuire http://www.cybercom.net/~wmcguire Subject: Welch: "No feather in my cap" From: lar-jen@interaccess.com (Larry-Jennie) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:04:30 -0600 Message-ID: Organization: InterAccess,Chicagoland's Full Service Internet Provider Newsgroups: alt.politics.org.cia Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 13:08:30 -0500 From: Russell Welch To: ciadrugs@mars.galstar.com Subject: ciadrugs] No feather in my cap Let me say that I do not intend to be a life long member of this mailing list. Reliving my history in short episodes tends to be a little painful; however, some things seem to be clearer looking back on them than they were at the time they occurred. I find it alluring that a group of people are interested in a piece of American history of which I had some participation. I believe that somewhere in the dialogue that Billy Bottoms and I have shared, the members of this group have gotten a glimpse of what Barry Seal was about. Bottoms and I don't agree on everything; but, we have learned from each other. One thing I learned from a career in law enforcement is that history is very fragile. If two people can't agree on what they both saw yesterday, what happens to "facts" after a year, or ten years, or a hundred years? Every time I started an investigation I initiated a journal where I kept my "field notes." Most of the time my field notes were kept in a spiral notebook. This would protect the integrity of my field notes by making it impossible to remove a page without it being noticed. I always tried to make my entries immediately after the event. If, per chance, a couple of days went by before I made the entry, I would make a note that time had passed between the event and the entry. A part of my goal was to accept accountability for every thing that I did, right or wrong. I doubt that I ever worked a case where I didn't make some kind of an error or mis-judgement. My court testimony was based on documents in my case file, including my field notes. Occasionally, I found that my memory of an event did not match my notes. My field notes could always take me back to what I was thinking when I wrote them. The notes were intended to be an objective record for both the suspect and the prosecuting attorney. I never assumed the roll of a cop who just tried to put people in prison. I followed the evidence and made my findings available to defense attorneys as well as prosecuting attorneys. My solution rate was very high but I never got a "feather in my cap." I never expected one. I was nominated for Trooper of the Year for my Rich Mountain Aviation investigation but I didn't get it. Instead they gave me an official commendation for catching a serial killer. I always let somebody else take the credit - sheriff, chief of police, my supervisor, etc.. Life was easier if these people didn't think I was trying to steal their thunder. Daniel Hopsicker chose to make a public statement that I am egotistical. That statement could not be further from the truth. If I was trying to feed my ego I would have been a lot more public. I do want to make it clear that I do not have any patience with people who play with the truth for their own gain. I've seen facts from my case file twisted by charlatans. Several people have obtained documents from my case file and sold them to various news agencies or other interests that were willing to pay. Over a year ago, investigators from Leach's banking committee wanted to share some documents with me and get my response. I was able to show them my markings on the documents. The documents had been taken from my case file. Who ever gave these documents to the banking committee just lost all of their integrity. Leach and Starr have both said they were having trouble investigation some allegations because so many of their sources were not credible. Anyway, the reason I started this letter was to respond to a couple of statements by Billy Bottoms. First, I had a very strong case put together against both Freddie Hampton and Joe Evans; but, the strongest case was actually on Joe Evans because he had more hands-on involvement with Seal and I could put him with Seal before he move to the Mena Airport. Joe Evans and his wife forged signatures on the fuel truck to establish their fictitious business, "H&L Explorations." I think Joe used the fictitious name, "Bill Elder." If you remember, Billy, this is also the fictitious name that Barry frequently used while in Mena. Reed didn't seem to have that information when he wrote Compromised. I don't think Billy Bottoms and I are going to be able to agree concerning who was protected by Barry's plea agreement. The fact that it didn't end up on paper is a good indication to me that it wasn't a part of the final terms. I, also, feel certain that Barry would have mentioned it when Duncan and I interviewed him. Jacobson and Joura never mentioned it in their depositions, either. I want to take exception with Billy's statement that officers in Arkansas were trying to get a feather in their cap. Maybe cap feathers are a noble reward in some places, but the most I could ever hope for was to just break even. Duncan and I were the only ones investigating in Arkansas. FBI agent Tom Ross showed up occasionally, but he wasn't investigating. I don't know what he was doing. I couldn't drop an investigation just because I wanted to go and do something else. I did not start the investigation of Rich Mountain Aviation because I was looking for glory. That case was assigned to me by Colonel Tommy Goodwin. It was what we called a "target file." These types of investigations could only be initiated by the Director of the State Police. The Director issued the case file number, which was designated with a "T." The Rich Mountain Aviation target file number was "T-57," meaning that this was the 57th target file assigned by the Director. Prior to that, T-18 had been a catch-all file for dope activity at the Mena Airport. Barry Seal was killed on Feb. 19, 1986. For awhile I wandered if there was something significant about the month of February. Emile Camp was killed on Feb. 20, 1985. Eric Arthur was killed on Feb. 17, 1984, when he "accidentally" walked into the prop of his own plane. Billy, you can't blame a cop for being just a little bit suspicious when he finds out that the same day Arthur walked into the prop, Barry lost $950,000 in gold Krugerands. Duncan and I actually speculated that February of 1987 would be your month. The investigation of Rich Mountain Aviation lingered on into 1988. I never ran out of leads but I got very tired and there were other cases to work. I had to go undercover on another smuggler at Mena. This one is still in prison. I had some demanding homicides that I had to tend to. I had another undercover case going between Dallas and Hot Springs. Things go on. In 1987, however, some new players came to the airport that did not have anything to do with Seal. By then, Barry Seal was ancient history; but, Rich Mountain Aviation and the Mena Airport was going strong. What happened after that didn't bare any resemblance to Barry Seal's operation. After that you could go to the airport and hear people talking about the State Department, C-130's in Africa and Miami and Australia. Men dressed in El Salvadorian military uniforms were frequently seen at a local motel. Arabs in native dress were commonly seen at the airport, and so on. Some of these new people talked about their activity with Oliver North's deal at Southern Air Transport. It was after 1987 that I started having trouble with the Arkansas State Police for drug investigations that I was doing at the Mena Airport. It was in 1987 that the assistant director of the ASP allowed the business manager from Rich Mountain Aviation to look through my investigative files - files for which Rich Mountain Aviation was the target. This is when uniformed State Police officers were coming to the airport and visiting with known smugglers. This is when my supervisors began giving me direct orders to stop drug investigations at the airport. This is when drug evidence, that I had sent to the lab for trace testing, was returned to me, untested. Things continued to get worse. In 1991, I was poisoned. The envelopes that carried the poison were sent to me from State Police headquarters in Hope, Arkansas. I'll leave it at that. Billy Bottoms is right. You win a few, you lose a few. That's no reason to quit my job with the state police. Barry Seal had nothing to do with my separation from the Arkansas State Police. Barry Seal was a piece of cake compared to what came after him. Russell Welch Subject: Dennis Byrne: Conrad Black's DuPage Dupe Columnist From: Tom Deflumere Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 17:18:20 -0500 Message-ID: Organization: EnterAct L.L.C. Turbo-Elite News Server Newsgroups: chi.media From: lar+jen@interaccess.com (Larry + Jennie) Subject: WALL STREET JOURNAL on CIA Cocaine, 4/22/87 Keywords: CIA, cocaine, Ronald Reagan, Oliver North, Eugene Hasenfus, Barry Sea l, Mena, Drug Enforcement Administration, George Bush, Pablo Escobar, Humberto Ortega Here is the JOURNAL's first report on the CIA-connected cocaine trafficking through Mena, Arkansas. "U.S. officials have rejected accusations of major drug trafficking by the Contras. The handling of those accusations now is being reviewed by two congressional committees and the independent counsel for the Iran-Contra affair." Too bad one of those congressional committees and the independent counsel totally ignored the evidence given to them regarding CIA cocaine trafficking. The chariman of the other congressional committee, Sen. John Kerry, was plagued with charges of being a Communist sympathizer. "The imprisoned drug pilots say Mr. Seal was involved in flights that brought weapons to Central American airfields for the Contras and sometimes returned to the U.S. with drugs. The pilots claim that their Contra weapons deliveries were directed by the CIA. The people they say they worked with are known to have been supervised or monitored by the CIA and by Lt. Col. Oliver North, the National Security Council staffer fired for his role in the program to sell arms to Iran and fund the Contras. As is its practice, the Central Intelligence Agency refuses to comment." Who knows? Had the Select Committee on Iran-contra asked Ollie North the questions that this report prompts, then the USA probably would never have had a President William Jefferson Clinton. Note that George Bush's office was made aware of Barry Seal's drug trafficking expertise. Larry _____________ Headline: "Dope Story: Doubts Rise on Report Reagan Cited in Tying Sandinistas to Cocaine --- Little Evidence Backs Tale, Which Came From Pilot Who Claimed CIA Link --- Deal for a Lighter Sentence" --- By Jonathan Kwitny WALL STREET JOURNAL April 22, 1987 In the early-morning darkness of June 26, 1984, Adler Barriman Seal, a wealthy, convicted drug smuggler working as a federal informant in hopes of leniency, landed his C-123 cargo plane at Homestead Air Force Base near Miami. On board was 1,500 pounds of cocaine he said he had brought from Nicaragua. Within a few weeks, unnamed "administration officials," citing information provided by Mr. Seal, leaked to the press stories saying that top Nicaraguan leaders, including a brother of President Daniel Ortega, were trafficking in cocaine with the help of Soviets and Cubans. The Reagan administration has used the Seal story -- which Nicaragua denies -- ever since in attempts to rouse congressional and public support for aid to the Contra rebels fighting to overthrow Mr. Ortega's Sandinista government. On March 16 of last year, in an appeal for a Contra aid package, President Reagan displayed on national television a photo taken by a camera hidden in Mr. Seal's plane. "I know that every American parent concerned about the drug problem will be outraged to learn that top Nicaraguan government officials are deeply involved in drug trafficking," Mr. Reagan said. "This picture, secretly taken at a military airfield outside Managua, shows Federico Vaughan, a top aide to one of the nine commandants who rule Nicaragua, loading an aircraft with illegal narcotics bound for the United States." But Mr. Seal's evidence of Nicaraguan drug trafficking doesn't appear to be as sweeping as he or the Reagan administration portrayed it. The Drug Enforcement Administration says the cocaine on Mr. Seal's C-123 is the only drug shipment by way of Nicaragua that it knows of -- and Mr. Seal said he had brought it there to begin with. The Nicaraguan "military airfield" that officials said Mr. Seal flew from is in fact a civilian field used chiefly for crop-dusting flights, the State Department now concedes. That concession undermines the basis for linking Defense Minister Humberto Ortega, President Ortega's brother, to the operation. In fact, the man who supervised Mr. Seal's work for the government -- Richard Gregorie, chief assistant U.S. attorney in Miami -- says he could find no information beyond Mr. Seal's word tying any Nicaraguan official to the drug shipment. As for Federico Vaughan, the man Mr. Reagan called an aide to a Sandinista commandant, federal prosecutors and drug officials now say they aren't sure who he is. Asked about the matter, a White House spokesman says, "We got the information from DEA and have received no indication from them of any change in their original assessment." Meanwhile, some DEA officials complain that the administration's use of Mr. Seal's story against the Sandinistas sabotaged a much bigger drug case, against Colombians. Now there are allegations that besides drugs, Mr. Seal may have been involved with other sensitive cargo. Four drug pilots in prison in Florida say they knew Mr. Seal as part of a network that delivered weapons to airfields in Central America for the American-backed Contras and then sometimes flew back to the U.S. with cocaine. Over the years, Mr. Seal told associates and testified in court that he sometimes did work for Central Intelligence Agency operations. Though the Justice Department was quick to follow up Mr. Seal's Nicaraguan story with an indictment, it rejected allegations from the pilots and others of drug dealing by Contras. The Seal case is a complex double helix of politics and law enforcement. Mr. Seal provided his story about Nicaragua after contacting Vice President George Bush's anti-drug task force and offering to be an informant. He gave the administration the photographs and testimony it used to accuse Nicaraguan leaders of drug trafficking. In return, federal prosecutors helped him wriggle out of a long prison term he faced on three drug convictions. He got six months' probation. Doubts about portions of his story first were raised last year in the Village Voice and Columbia Journalism Review by Joel Millman, who helped locate sources for this broader investigation of the case. It is clear Mr. Seal was a major drug runner. He had a fleet of at least four planes, and he testified in federal court that he earned more than $50 million smuggling dope. He said he made $600,000 or $700,000 while working for the DEA in the Nicaraguan case, which the government says it let him keep to cover expenses. The money did him little good. On Feb. 19, 1986, as Mr. Seal was getting out of his white Cadillac at a Louisiana shelter where his probation required him to spend nights, a squad of hit men gunned him down. When Mr. Seal first faced various drug charges several years ago, he initially got nowhere in seeking a deal. He twice went to Justice Department and DEA officials in Florida seeking a milder sentence in exchange for doing undercover work to catch big Colombian drug-cartel leaders, and he made the same offer in another federal drug case in Louisiana. The prosecutors all decided they preferred to have Mr. Seal in jail. So in March of 1984 he called Mr. Bush's drug task force, got an appointment and flew his Learjet to Washington, he explained later in testimony at drug trials of others in federal court in Miami and Las Vegas. Two task-force staffers say they met Mr. Seal on a Washington street and escorted him to a meeting with Kenneth R. Kennedy, a veteran DEA agent. The Justice Department says that he was accepted as an informant to trap Colombian dealers and that everyone was surprised to learn later of a Nicaraguan connection. But Mr. Kennedy recalls Mr. Seal's saying at their first meeting that "the officials of the Nicaraguan government are involved in smuggling cocaine into the United States, specifically the Sandinistas; that he would go through Nicaragua and get loads and bring them back; that he had brought loads of cocaine {through Nicaragua} in the past and he could continue to do it." Thomas Sclafani, who was just becoming Mr. Seal's lawyer in Miami at the time, says that he is "absolutely" sure that nailing Nicaraguans was "a key ingredient" in the deal Mr. Seal offered the government. Mr. Kennedy sent Mr. Seal to agents Robert Joura and Ernest Jacobsen in the DEA's Miami office. They authorized him to go to Colombia and Panama to arrange a drug shipment, but they say it was a total surprise when he returned with news that cocaine-cartel leaders were moving their operations to Nicaragua because of law-enforcement pressure in Colombia. Mr. Seal testified that the cocaine leaders explained to him, "We are not communists. We don't particularly enjoy the same philosophy politically that they do. But they serve our means and we serve theirs." Mr. Gregorie, the federal prosecutor in Miami, says the politics of it made no difference to him, either. "Nobody cared," he says. Nicaragua "was just another place they {the cocaine cartel} did business." As Mr. Seal related the story in his testimony, it was in Panama in mid-May 1984 that the Colombians introduced Mr. Vaughan to him as "some sort of a government official from Nicaragua." He said Mr. Vaughan claimed to be a top aide to Tomas Borge, the Sandinista interior minister and security-police chief. Mr. Seal testified that Mr. Vaughan took him and a co-pilot to Nicaragua on an airliner, dodging customs at the airport, and that they stayed at Mr. Vaughan's house overnight. Then, he said, a Nicaraguan military driver gave them a tour of an airfield and Mr. Vaughan pointed out antiaircraft batteries they should avoid, before putting them on a flight to Panama. As evidence of the trip, he offered his boarding pass on an airliner to Managua and a receipt for payment of the Managua airport tax; neither document appears to bear any date or name identification. On his first scheduled drug run after becoming an informant, Mr. Seal testified, his plane skidded off a muddy Colombian airstrip and crashed as he was taking off. He said the accident forced the cocaine shipment onto a smaller plane that needed to refuel to reach the U.S.; the refueling stop was in Nicaragua, he said, and Mr. Vaughan met the flight. As he related it, after taking off again, his plane was hit with anti-aircraft fire and limped into the main Managua airport, where he and his co-pilot were held by military officers. Eventually, Mr. Seal testified, Mr. Vaughan's military driver brought a truck to the Managua airport, transferred the cocaine off the plane and drove it away. He said he was jailed overnight, then picked up by Mr. Vaughan and given a small plane to fly home to the U.S., leaving the cocaine in Nicaragua. He said this plane was owned by Pablo Escobar, who the DEA says is a major partner in Colombia's largest cocaine syndicate. On the night of June 24, 1984, Mr. Seal continued, he, a co-pilot and a mechanic headed back to Managua to get the coke, flying his newly acquired C-123 cargo craft. Hidden within it was a secret camera, installed by the Central Intelligence Agency at Rickenbacker Air Force Base in Ohio. Although the camera didn't work right, he said, he managed to squeeze off dozens of grainy, shadowy photographs. Most of them show a few men in casual attire lounging against a grassy background. Mr. Seal identified one as Mr. Vaughan, one as Mr. Escobar, the Colombian drug kingpin, and a third as another Colombian drug dealer. Several pictures show men, whom U.S. officials called soldiers, carrying canvas bags. After this trip the DEA sent Mr. Seal back down to Nicaragua with $1 million, and he said he arranged with Mr. Vaughan for another cocaine shipment. But in mid-July of 1984, DEA agent Joura remembers getting a call from his agency in Washington saying that a story based on Mr. Seal's C-123 trip would shortly appear in the Washington Times. Chances of using Mr. Seal to catch members of the Colombian drug cartel vanished. "At that time, there was a Contra funding bill that was up for approval, and I guess that precipitated the leak of the photographs," says Mr. Joura. "It ruined the case. We hoped to go a lot further with it." Mr. Joura did have time to tell Mr. Seal to round up some Florida distributors and another pilot for a meeting so they could be arrested. (It was at the 1985 Miami trial of these men that Mr. Seal, as a government witness, related his Nicaraguan story. He repeated it at another federal drug trial that year, in Las Vegas.) The Washington Times story, which touched off many other press accounts, quoted "U.S. sources" as saying that "a number of highly placed Nicaraguan government officials actively participated in the drug smuggling operation," naming Interior Minister Borge and Defense Minister Humberto Ortega. U.S. officials have said that the defense minister could be implicated because the drug shipment used a military airfield, Los Brasiles. But the State Department now confirms reports from Nicaragua that Los Brasiles is a civilian airfield used mainly for agricultural flights. It is also listed as a civilian field in a Defense Department Flight Information Publication. The Justice Department said in 1984 that cocaine-processing labs had been established in Nicaragua and that the drug was being shipped in "multi-ton" amounts. Within a month after the story of the flight broke in the press, Mr. Vaughan was indicted. The department says it knows that Mr. Seal's C-123 went to Nicaragua because a device aboard the plane enabled satellites to track it. But Mr. Gregorie, the federal prosecutor in Miami, and the DEA's Mr. Joura concede that their only evidence of who Mr. Vaughan is comes from Mr. Seal and a tape of a call to a man Mr. Seal identified as him. The Nicaraguan government says that a Federico Vaughan worked in 1982 and 1983 as the deputy manager of an export-import company run by the Sandinista government but had left before the Seal flight and was never an aide to a commandant. Mr. Vaughan hasn't been put on trial. Though the U.S. has an extradition treaty with Nicaragua, the federal prosecutors never tried to extradite Mr. Vaughan. Mr. Gregorie says the State Department told him it would be futile. While the account of Sandinista drug involvement brought swift Justice Department action, U.S. officials have rejected accusations of major drug trafficking by the Contras. The handling of those accusations now is being reviewed by two congressional committees and the independent counsel for the Iran-Contra affair. "There have been allegations that the laws have not been evenly and appropriately carried out, so we're looking into that," says Hayden Gregory, an investigator for a House Judiciary Committee subcommittee. The imprisoned drug pilots say Mr. Seal was involved in flights that brought weapons to Central American airfields for the Contras and sometimes returned to the U.S. with drugs. The pilots claim that their Contra weapons deliveries were directed by the CIA. The people they say they worked with are known to have been supervised or monitored by the CIA and by Lt. Col. Oliver North, the National Security Council staffer fired for his role in the program to sell arms to Iran and fund the Contras. As is its practice, the Central Intelligence Agency refuses to comment. Mr. Seal once was a pilot with Trans World Airlines, but he lost the job in 1972 after being charged with smuggling explosives to Mexico. The explosives, he later testified in federal court in Las Vegas, were for CIA-trained personnel trying to overthrow Cuba's Fidel Castro. An appeals court threw out the indictment. Fred Hampton, whose Mena, Ark., firm does a global business repairing aircraft, says Mr. Seal used to talk in 1982 and 1983 about working for the CIA. He says Mr. Seal was secretive about it but discussed aerial reconnaissance of Nicaraguan air bases when the subject came up. Jack Terrell, a former Contra mercenary who now opposes U.S. intervention in Nicaragua, says that "we knew he {Mr. Seal} was flying for the Contras" at Aguacote, a Honduran supply base. And a jailed drug pilot named Gary Betzner says he once ran into Mr. Seal at Illopango air base in El Salvador, where much of the Contra weaponry was transshipped. Another imprisoned drug pilot, Michael Tolliver, says he was recruited into the Contra supply network by Mr. Seal, whom he had known since they were both airplane enthusiasts in Louisiana. He says Mr. Seal called him in the spring of 1985 and said, "I've got some interesting flying for you to do." Says Mr. Tolliver: "I figured it was government because everybody knew he was working for the government." Following Mr. Seal's drug convictions, his undercover efforts served him well with sentencing judges. In federal court in Fort Lauderdale, Judge Norman C. Roettger reduced a 10-year drug sentence to six months' probation after DEA agents spoke to him. The judge specifically praised Mr. Seal's cooperation in the Nicaraguan case. Then, under a deal worked out with the Justice Department, Mr. Seal also got probation for another Florida drug conviction and for drug charges in Louisiana. But the judge in the Louisiana case, upset at the leniency of the Justice Department terms, required Mr. Seal to spend nights during his probation at a Salvation Army shelter in Baton Rouge. The requirement made him easy for his enemies to find, and one day early last year some of them did. Three Colombian men have been charged with killing him. Of the two others Mr. Seal said went to Nicaragua on the C-123, one, co-pilot Emile Camp, died in a crash of his one-man plane. The other, mechanic Peter Everson, who has never been charged or asked to testify, won't discuss Mr. Seal's story except to say he would corroborate it if called. He lives in a fortress-like building in Louisiana. One final footnote: Mr. Seal's C-123, after a change in ownership, crashed in Nicaragua last October while on a Contra supply run. The Nicaraguans captured an American cargo handler who survived. His name was Eugene Hasenfus, and his capture began the unraveling of secret U.S. efforts to supply the Contras. ________ Too bad the rest of the American media ignored this, and much more evidence, that operatives connected to the Central Intelligence Agency were, and are, deeply involved with the global narcotics trade. L Subject: Dennis Byrne: Professional Skeptic or Professional Idiot? From: Tom Deflumere Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 17:10:30 -0500 Message-ID: Organization: EnterAct L.L.C. Turbo-Elite News Server Newsgroups: chi.media Earlier this week, the Sun-Times columnist Dennis Byrne joined the chorus of government puppets dismissing the investigative series by Gary Webb of the San Jose Mercury News into the CIA-Contra cocaine pipeline; I thought the time was right to revisit some recent history ( two more posts to follow, including one from the noted liberal paper The Wall Street Journal )... From: lar+jen@interaccess.com (Larry + Jennie) Subject: CIA Cocaine: Washington Post 10/22/94 This article is as close as the WASHINGTON POST has ever come to reporting on the CIA Contra cocaine trafficking. This major story was enough to hurt Oliver North's Senate campaign in an extremely tight race against LBJ son-in-law Charles Robb, but not enough to make Mena cocaine a national issue. Despite the importance of this long article, it was published on a Saturday, the newspaper's lowest circulation day. Savvy newsmakers try to hide bad news by announcing it on Friday so it is reported, but buried, in Saturday's edition. Believe me, Saturday is the most important day to read newspapers. BTW, I am of the opinion that the two Senatorial candidates could have worked together. Ollie North could have sold cocaine to Chuck Robb so he could pick up babes at the beach. :) Larry ________________ "North Didn't Relay Drug Tips; DEA Says It Finds No Evidence Reagan Aide Talked to Agency" By, Lorraine Adams October 22, 1994 WASHINGTON POST For almost a decade, Oliver L. North has been dogged by questions about what he did to make sure U.S. government flights to help the Nicaraguan contras were free of drug traffickers. In personal diaries North kept in 1985, he wrote down a trusted aide's tip that drugs were being brought into the United States on a contra supply plane. He recorded the type of aircraft and a stop on its route - New Orleans. In testimony he gave to Congress in 1987, North said he gave that information to the Drug Enforcement Administration. But the DEA, when asked to verify North's testimony, issued a statement Friday saying, "There's no evidence he talked to anyone. We can't find the person he talked to, if he did talk to them. There's no record of the person he talked to." Along with the new DEA comment, government records, depositions, hearing testimony and interviews with former officials, the diary entries again raise questions about what North did to maintain the integrity of the contra supply efforts that he oversaw as a National Security Council aide. North declined to grant an interview for this story, and he did not respond to written questions asking him to explain the diary entries and identify whom in the DEA he told. He issued a statement in which he said: "I did all in my power to ensure that when ever the slightest rumor or concern was raised about drugs, the matter was immediately referred to the cognizant authorities in our government." But top law enforcement officials - including the former heads of the DEA and U.S. Customs Service - who met with North at the time on a variety of issues said in recent interviews that he did not pass the information on to them. Former State Department, CIA and White House officials also say North did not tell them about the New Orleans plane. Nor, they said, did North tell them of other information - relayed to him by the same aide in a memo - about an aircraft and crew listed in law enforcement records as being suspected of drug trafficking. As a result, former State Department officials said, that plane and crew continued to be used as official carriers of U.S. government humanitarian supplies to the contras. Many of these officials, when recently read the diary entries and memos, expressed surprise at how much North knew. The diary entries are but a fragment of the Iran-contra affair, in which North and others secretly sold weapons to Iran to free American hostages, then diverted profits from those sales to a congressionally banned effort to arm the contras fighting the Marxist Sandinista government in Nicaragua. In the campaign by Republican nominee North to unseat Sen. Charles S. Robb (D-Va.), a major issue has been character. Polls, and the candidates themselves, have repeatedly raised questions about Robb's honesty about his personal life and North's candor about the Iran-contra affair. Drugs have been a minor but persistent theme. North has accused President Clinton of avoiding the war on drugs and reminded voters that Robb was present at Virginia Beach parties where drugs were used. In his written statement Friday, North said, "It is a moral outrage and a cheap political dirty trick by desperate opponents, to even suggest that I or anyone in the Reagan Administration, in any way, shape or form, ever tolerated the trafficking of illegal substances or any such activities." Drug-Trafficking Allegations In 1979, the Marxist-led Sandinista National Liberation front toppled the dictatorship in Nicaragua. President Reagan authorized covert CIA support to the anti-Sandinista groups, or contras, two years later. The same year, in an unrelated move, then-Marine Maj. Oliver L. North was detailed to the National Security Council staff. North worked on various projects - among them counterterrorism and the Grenada invasion. In 1984, Congress prohibited direct or indirect military support to the contras, and North became the administration's "point of contact" with the contras at the request, North said, of CIA Director William J. Casey and National Security Adviser Robert C. McFarlane. In April 1986, published media reports said federal investigators were looking into possible illegal support for the contras, some of it financed by drug-smuggling. A Senate subcommittee chaired by Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) began looking into those allegations. On Nov. 25, 1986, Reagan held a news conference in which he said he had not been fully informed about North's operations, specifically the diversion of profits from Iranian arms sale to the contras. He announced North's dismissal. Two years later, the Kerry committee's final report concluded, "It is clear that individuals who provided support for the contras were involved in drug trafficking." A Kerry staff aide said the committee found evidence, including North's diary entries, that North knew about the trafficking. Another subcommittee, chaired by Rep. William J. Hughes (D-N.J.), ran out of time and money before concluding its investigation, Hughes said, but "found that there were ties between the contras and drugs," though North's role was not completely investigated. In his written statement Friday, North said, "Special Prosecutor Lawrence Walsh conducted a multi-million dollar, seven-year inquiry into every conceivable aspect of my life and never once made any such charge or allegation." Sources close to the Walsh investigation said the fact that questions about drugs and North were not acted upon or fully explored was in no sense an exoneration. The prosecutors did not receive North's voluminous notebooks until he took the stand in his 1989 trial, which made questioning him about them difficult. North ultimately was convicted of three felonies - overturned on appeal - but after his trial, the Walsh probe's focus shifted away from him. Between 1984 and late 1986, when the alleged drug trafficking was occurring, there were many efforts to help the contras. During that period, North was trying to control those efforts. Some involved military supplies and were secret. One public effort was carried out by an agency created by Congress in 1985 called the Nicaraguan Humanitarian Assistance Office, or NHAO. Based in the State Department, its job was to get $27 million in strictly humanitarian supplies to the contras. North flew occasionally to Central America for contra-related meetings, but for the most part, he kept track of the secret and public efforts from his office in the Old Executive Office Building with a bank of telephones, a computer and a spiral-bound notebook where he kept a daily diary. North relied on Robert Owen, who traveled among Central America, Miami, New Orleans and Washington, to be his "eyes and ears," as North once described him. A former staff member of Sen. Dan Quayle's and a fervent contra supporter, Owen worked for the contra leadership in 1984. He helped them, he said, "in any way I could," including bringing lists of needed arms to North and distributing money, provided to him by North, to contra leaders. At North's urging, NHAO hired Owen as a contractor. By day, Owen worked on the humanitarian effort, and in his off-hours, unbeknownst to NHAO's director, Robert W. Duemling, Owen reported to North and helped with the secret weapons supply network. Duemling said NHAO reported, as a practical matter, to a group whose key members were North, in the National Security Council; Elliott Abrams, assistant secretary of state for Latin American affairs; and Alan Fiers, chief of the CIA's Central American Task Force. NHAO officials say they didn't know about North's covert weapon supply. They knew little about the contras' own effort to ship weapons with aircraft they leased or owned. They knew little of efforts of private citizens - including exiled Cubans and paramilitary groups. Owen's memos from the period are filled with details about all of the groups. He shared with North suspicions about some of the contra leaders' drug ties, political maneuvering among the groups, the contras' desperate need for arms. Just before NHAO was up and running, after meeting with Owen on Aug. 9, 1985, North wrote in his diary: "Honduran DC-6 which is being used for runs out of New Orleans is probably being used for drug runs into U.S." The information apparently stayed in North's mind, because the next day he wrote, "Meeting with A.C. --Name of DEA person in New Orleans re bust on Mario DC-6." A.C. could be contra leader Adolfo Calero, brother of Mario, who was in charge of a warehouse and shipping operation for the contras in New Orleans. Pilots familiar with contra supply operations say Mario Calero regularly used a DC-6, based in Honduras, that made runs between New Orleans and Central America. Mario Calero is deceased. The entry's references to a DEA person in New Orleans and a bust are cryptic. Local, state and federal law enforcement agencies, when asked by The Washington Post to search for any records of drug trafficking by Mario Calero, or by a company associated with him, say they could find none. In a closed session before Congress in 1987, North testified that he reported to the DEA the information that the DC-6 might be making drug runs into the United States. In the session, which has since been declassified, North was read the entry, and responded: "It was a DC-6 registered in {name of country} and someone had told me - in fact it was probably Rob Owen who told me that. I turned it over to the DEA immediately." Jack Lawn, the former head of the DEA, talked to North on several occasions in 1985 and 1986, mostly about DEA informants in the Middle East. But "Ollie did not provide any intelligence to me" about the New Orleans tip, Lawn said. Robert Bryden, then the DEA special agent in charge of the New Orleans office, said neither he nor anyone in his office ever received any drug information from North, the White House or anyone else concerning Mario Calero or any DC-6. Bryden said he would liked to have known. "Our business is drugs, so if somebody knows about an airplane using drugs, we would like to know about it," Bryden said. Former national security adviser McFarlane, North's boss at the time, said North did not relay the drug suspicions about the DC-6 to him. "He never reported it to me," said McFarlane, who has harshly criticized North since their work together for Reagan. "He certainly should have reported anything which is a violation of U.S. law, which it sounds like that was." William Von Raab, then head of U.S. Customs, said he is "absolutely stunned" by the North notebook entries. "I had dealings with North. I was a trusted conservative guy. While extremely law-abiding, I was on their side ideologically. He should have told me. Were any information like that available, as a courtesy, as a routine practice, he should have told me." Former deputy CIA director Robert Gates also was surprised by the entries. He said he would expect anyone provided with such intelligence "to immediately go ballistic, to talk to Von Raab, to DEA. A normal person would have reacted strongly." NHAO director Duemling and five other NHAO officials interviewed said North never alerted them to any concerns about Mario Calero or any aircraft of his associated with drug trafficking. "On the contrary, he wanted me to work with Mario," Duemling said. A former ambassador and a career Foreign Service officer, Duemling admits he knew little about getting supplies to a rebel force in hostile territory, or about the contras. He said that he relied on North, as an expert on the contras, to guide him and that North instructed him not to disturb the contras' logistics arrangement. Duemling said he believed North should have relayed to him the Owen leads about drug trafficking. "I'm disturbed and disappointed that senior U.S. officials would be guilty of this kind of malfeasance," Duemling said. "We're talking about the business of the U.S. government, about senior officials in the U.S. government. We're talking about the responsibility of implementing the foreign policy of the U.S. government. These are not things you should be playing games with." Abrams, one of the three officials including North whom NHAO reported to, said he couldn't answer why North didn't tell Duemling, but said the drug allegations concerned "air charter companies and you're dealing with a lot of fly-by-night operations." "It was really not easy to find out what was the last previous trip of that plane or what would happen to that plane when they were done with it," he said. "And legally speaking, that was none of our business." He said that when he and North found out about two people in the contras' own organization who were suspected of drug trafficking, they were kicked out. Abrams would not name them on the record. "We had no proof, just rumors, and the rumors were enough for us to act," he said. North's involvement with NHAO went beyond providing advice. Over time, North piggybacked his arms effort onto the publicly sanctioned humanitarian effort. "It became fairly clear to me as time went on, by January (1986), what was really happening was Ollie was hijacking the NHAO operation," Fiers testified in a 1992 trial. That system, documented in numerous Iran-contra records, worked like this: NHAO aircraft loaded with humanitarian cargo flew from New Orleans and Miami to Ilopango Air Base in El Salvador, and sometimes Aguacate, Honduras. There, humanitarian supplies were offloaded and stored. The NHAO planes then became part of North's secret operation and were loaded with military supplies for flights to contra camps in Honduras or for air drops into Nicaragua. NHAO paid only for the humanitarian leg of the flights. The military leg was paid for from Swiss bank accounts North set up to finance the covert operations. Another Owen Warning Six months after Owen warned North about Mario Calero and the DC-6, he warned him about an NHAO contractor. Owen's memo of Feb. 10, 1986, reads: "No doubt you know the DC-4 Foley got was used at one time to run drugs, and part of the crew had criminal records. Nice group the Boys choose. The company is also one that Mario has been involved with using in the past, only they had a quick name change. Incompetence reigns." The only DC-4 listed in NHAO records was one supplied by Miami-based Vortex Air International Inc. One of the company's key officers, who is mentioned in North's diaries, has a long record of serious drug allegations. In testimony to the Iran-contra committee about his DC-4 memo, Owen identified Foley as Pat Foley of Summit Aviation, which still operates in Middleton, Del. Owen identified "the Boys" as the CIA. In a recent interview, Foley denied the implication in Owen's memo that he worked for the CIA, but agreed he gave NHAO a list of air cargo companies that could be hired, including Vortex. He said he was unaware of any drug allegations against the company. Those drug connections surfaced when the DC-4 had engine trouble on an NHAO flight and had to land on San Andreas Island in Colombia, where it was detained. Colombian authorities had discovered that the plane was flagged in international law enforcement records as having been used to fly drugs and that some of the crew had criminal records. Owen, who recounted that incident in testimony to the Iran-contra committee, said his concern was: "In my mind, it was stupidity to use a plane that at one time had been used, or at least targeted, as having carried drugs, and also it was stupidity to use people who had a criminal record." Frank McNeil, then senior deputy assistant secretary of state for intelligence and research, confirmed Owen's account in an interview. According to McNeil, Colombian police contacted the U.S. Embassy in Colombia, and it cabled the State Department. "We queried the CIA, and after they did some checking, they responded, something to the effect, `It's unfortunate, but it's pretty hard to find folks to do this work,' " McNeil said recently. McNeil would not reveal the identity of the CIA official involved. The emergency landing was suspicious, he said, because the island was a shipping point for drugs. After the Iran-contra investigations, McNeil learned the group had continued to supply the contras. "The whole thing is too sleazy for words," he said. "It is not a happy chapter in American history." Owen's warnings about Vortex's drug problems didn't end its NHAO flights, and North's notebooks show that he was aware they were still working for the agency. The name of Vortex, and one of its officers, who had numerous drug charges - Michael Bernard Palmer - appears twice. The diary entries show North had detailed knowledge of Palmer and Vortex's NHAO flights. On April 22, 1986, North wrote: "Call from Rob. 900 Uniforms, 1800 Pr boots, 1700 ponchos, 1700 suspenders, SOX, belts, hats) Vortex/Miami." Two days later, a second entry lists a Vortex flight's destination, the type of aircraft, identifying tail number, pilot, and departure and arrival times. It ends with Palmer's name and phone number. During the congressional inquiries into the contra drug link, Palmer was an important witness. Under a grant of immunity in 1988, he testified that he flew for major drug organizations between 1977 and 1985, making frequent runs between Colombia and the United States. Before Vortex's contract with NHAO, Palmer, himself a pilot, landed in a Colombian jail on drug charges, according to grand jury testimony in one of Palmer's later drug cases. He was released in Colombia under circumstances never fully explained. Palmer was indicted in Detroit in June 1986 while Vortex was still under contract to NHAO. The Detroit indictment named Palmer in a conspiracy to import and distribute marijuana, beginning in 1977 and ending in June 1986. In 1989, a federal indictment in Louisiana charged Palmer with helping to bring 300,000 pounds of marijuana into the United States from South America in a 1982 operation. The Detroit prosecutors would not explain why that case was dropped. In the Louisiana case, Palmer boasted to prosecutors that his drug running was sanctioned by the government, and the prosecutor, Howard Parker, said he dropped the charges to avoid a sideshow. The idea that Palmer worked secretly for a government agency, even after his NHAO contract was over, is supported by declassified Customs records. The documents, supplied to congressional committees looking into alleged contra drug ties, show Palmer was working in 1987 for a government agency, the name of which was blacked out. The records describe an incident in which Palmer protested a Customs inspection of a DC-6 that Vortex was servicing at Miami International Airport. The records say: "Normal U.S. Customs Service procedures for incoming flights are expedited" at the request of the unnamed agency. The unnamed agency's officials knew of the open drug charges against Palmer, but "our records do not go beyond allegations, the substance of which did not preclude us from using these individuals," the Customs records state. Palmer said in a recent interview that he didn't know North. The drug cases were dropped, he said, because he was not guilty of the charges. Vortex was not the only company used by NHAO with an officer accused of drug trafficking. During the time NHAO was operating and hiring air cargo companies, Duemling and NHAO's attorney said they requested background information from the Justice Department about the NHAO contractors, but never received a reply. It wasn't until after NHAO had closed down, when Sen. Kerry's subcommittee published its report, that it became clear that several cargo carriers and suppliers NHAO had used were either owned or operated by individuals under investigation by federal law enforcement for drug trafficking. In addition to Vortex, the report listed DIACSA, based in Miami. DIACSA received $41,120 in NHAO work; Vortex received $317,425. Two foreign firms were listed in the report: SETCO Air, a Honduran company, and Frigorificos de Puntarenas, a Costa Rican firm. DIACSA's owner, Alfredo Caballero, and Floyd Carlton, who ran a drug and money laundering operation out of DIACSA's Miami offices, according to DEA affidavits, were under indictment at the time of the NHAO contract. Carlton pleaded guilty to a cocaine trafficking charge. Caballero was indicted in a cocaine conspiracy and pleaded guilty to one count, but the specifics of the plea are sealed. Carlton later became the star government witness in the drug trial of Manuel Noriega. Subject: Re: THE REAL WHITEWATER From: lar-jen@interaccess.com (Larry-Jennie) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 21:23:30 -0600 Message-ID: Organization: InterAccess,Chicagoland's Full Service Internet Provider Newsgroups: alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater References: In article cayenne@nyct.net (Martin McPhillips) writes: >For those who have always bought the line >that Whitewater was *just* a land deal that >lost money, here's a little something from >Partners in Power by Roger Morris. Partners in Power By Roger Morris Pg. 393 -- 399 But drugs were only one commodity in a bustling commerce. Especially after the spring of 1983, Seal's flights to Latin America to pick up cocaine commonly carried arms for the Contra rebels fighting to over- throw the Sandinista regime in Nicaragua. Part of what was later exposed as the Iran-Contra affair, they were one channel of the CIA and the Reagan White House's efforts to evade congressional restrictions, including the Boland amendment, that went into full effect in the autumn of 1984. Though major, the Arkansas precincts of Iran-Contra remained unexplored in the circumscribed investigations by both Congress and the independent counsel. Along with arms pouring into the Mena airport from US arsenals and the private market, nationally and internationally, weapons bound for the Contras also came from local Arkansas sources, including a Fayetteville gunsmith named William Holmes, who had been crafting weapons for the CIA since the mid-1950s and now produced for the agency a special order of 250 automatic pistols with silencers. Under oath he later told a federal court that he was taken to Mena twice to meet Barry Seal, who paid for some special orders in cash. Though Holmes dealt with other CIA agents, too, he regarded Seal as "the ramrod of the Mena gun deal." Not long after Seal's operation began, the terrain around Mena, similar to the landscapes in Nicaragua, became a CIA training ground for Contra guerrillas and pilots. Like the money laundering, the flow of weapons and the covert maneuvers supplied Mena with still more whispered stories, of crates of arms unloaded from unmarked black trucks, of Spanish-speaking pilots who flew practice runs in and out of the airport, of state game wardens in the backwoods who came upon contingents of foreigners in camouflage and armed with automatic weapons; of caches of weapons secreted in highway culverts and mysterious nighttime road and air traffic around neighboring Nella. Though the CIA and other intelligence agencies routinely denied responsibility for Seal and Mena, security for the operation was generally careless; cover-up from Arkansas to Washington seemed taken for granted. There was a paper trail of federal aircraft registrations and outfittings. Some of Seal's fleet, which included a Lear jet, helicopters, and former US military transports, had been previously owned by Air America, Inc., widely reported to be a CIA proprietary company. An- other firm linked to Air America outfitted Seal's planes with avionics. Between March and December 1982, according to law enforcement records, Seal fitted nine of his aircraft with the latest electronic equipment, paying the $750,000 bill in cash. Senior law enforcement officials happening onto his tracks in Arkansas were quickly waved off. "Joe [name deleted] works for Seal and cannot be touched because Seal works for the CIA," a customs official noted during an investigation into Arkansas drug trafficking in the early 1980s. "Look, we're told not to touch anything that has Barry Seal's name on it," another ranking federal agent told a colleague, "just to let it go." At the same time, customs officers and others watched the Mena contraband expand far beyond the Contras to include the export of munitions to Bolivia, Argentina, Peru, and Brazil - a hugely lucrative black market in arms variously called the Southern Tier or Southern Arc. By any name, intelligence sources described it as a CIA operation, often under cover of bogus front companies, though occasionally with the knowledge of executives and workers in "legitimate" corporations providing spare parts. The smuggling was known to have made millions in criminal profits for CIA rogue operations, mainly from what one former air force intelligence officer called the "clockwork" transshipment of weapons and other contraband from "meticulously maintained" rural airports in Arkansas, Mississippi, Kentucky, Alabama, Louisiana, Florida, and Arizona. According to several official sources, Mena was not only the base for Seal's traffic in guns and drugs but also a hub in this clandestine network of government crime. Like the Seal runs, Southern Tier flights came and went with utter immunity, protected or "fixed," as one law enforcement agent called them, by the collusion of US intelligence and other agencies under the guise of "national security." The most telling evidence in Seal's own thick files would be what was so starkly missing. In hundreds of documents revealing fastidious planning - Seal's videotapes even recorded him rehearsing every step in the pinpoint drop of loads of cocaine, down to the seconds required to roll the loads to the door of the plane - there was no evidence of concern for cross-border security or how the narcotics were brought into the country. Engaged in one of the major crimes of the century, neither he nor his accomplices showed the slightest worry about being caught. The shadow of official complicity and cover-up was unmistakable in Seal's papers. In 1996, a former Seal associate would testify to congressional investigators how the operation had been provided CIA "security" for flights in and out of the US, including a highly classified encoding device to evade air defense and surveillance measures. Those who met Seal in Mena in the fall of 1983 found him at the zenith of his influence. He was already a businessman of note in Arkansas, with an address book listing some of the state's well-known names, and contacts in Little Rock's banks and brokerage houses, and what a fellow CIA operative called a "night depository" for bags of cash dropped from "green flights" onto the ranch of a politically and financially prominent Arkansas family. An associate, a pilot who came with Seal from Louisiana in 1982, would later testify about their first weeks in Arkansas, when they were introduced to pivotal figures in state government and business. "Barry Seal knew them all, and they knew him, the Clinton machine," he remembered. "There was no limit on cooperation by the good ole boys," a federal agent would say of Seal's Arkansas friends. At the height of his Mena operation, Seal made daily deposits of $50,000 or more, using a Caribbean bank as well as financial institutions in Arkansas and Florida. He casually admitted to federal agents that he took in $75 million in the early 1980s, and under court questioning said he made at least $25 million in 1981 alone. A posthumous tax assessment by the IRS - which officially noted his "C.I.A.-D.E.A. employment" and duly exempted him from taxes on some of his government "income" for the years 1984-85 - would show Seal's estate owing $86 million in back taxes on his earnings in Mena in 1982 and 1983. Far from entertaining thoughts of paying taxes, Seal detailed in his private papers his own plans for the money, including setting up a Caribbean bank and dozens of companies, all using the name Royale - from a television network, casino, and pharmaceuticals firm to a Royale Arabian horse farm. By 1984, the Seal operation began to unravel. While the Mena traffic flourished, he was charged by elements of the Drug Enforcement Agency and federal prosecutors - a group of agents and government lawyers not compromised in the Arkansas operation - for trafficking in Quaaludes. Suddenly facing a prosecution and prison sentence his intelligence patrons either could not or would not suppress, he scram- bled to make his own deal. With typical aplomb ("Barry was always smarter than most government folks he dealt with," said an associate), he flew to Washington at one point to dicker with the staff of Vice President George Bush. By the spring of 1984, Seal was DEA informant number SGI-84-0028, working as an $800,000-a-year double agent in an elaborate sting operation against the Medellin cartel in Colombia and individuals in the Nicaraguan regime who had been dipping into the drug trade themselves. The same elements of the US government involved in Mena were now eager, for political advantage, to expose the Sandinistas in drug dealing. That summer of 1984, CIA cameras hidden in his plane, Seal made the incriminating flights to Medellin and then Managua, only to have the case against the drug lords and his own life jeopardized when the Reagan administration gleefully leaked the evidence of Sandinista involvement, including the smuggler's own film, to the Washington Times. In a scribbled note, Barry Seal recorded with knowing cynicism the malignant juncture of politics and crime: "Government misconduct," he wrote, and then of himself, "Operate in a world nearly devoid of rules and record keeping." In February 1985 Emile Camp, later identified as a member of a Louisiana organized crime family, one of Seal's expert pilots and the only witness to many of his more significant transactions with both drug lords and US intelligence agents, was killed - some thought murdered - when his elaborately equipped Mena-bound Seneca unaccountably ran out of gas on a routine approach and slammed into the Ouachita Mountains. The flight was carrying the original logs of one of Seal's other planes, a Vietnam-era C-123K Seal had christened the Fat Lady; these were missing when the wreckage was discovered. Mean- while Seal himself was becoming a star witness for the US government against his old Colombian associates. Though still cocky, he was now becoming increasingly anxious about his own safety. As if personal publicity could offer a shield, he confessed a few crimes to local Arkansas investigators in a recorded interview and even agreed to an in-law's request that he cooperate in a documentary on his operations for a Louisiana television station. Nevertheless, he withheld the secrets of wider and higher official complicity in Arkansas. The Mena traffic remained relentless. "Every time Berri [sic] Seal flies a load of dope for the U.S. Govt.," one local law enforcement officer noted in a log on August 27, 1985, "he flies two for himself." The bargain seemed plain: "Seal was flying weapons to central and south America," an agent noted, recording what "was believed" within the DEA. "In return he is allowed to smuggle what he wants back into the United States." By the summer of 1985 Seal's usefulness to the government had expired, and a scapegoat for the illegal operation in Mena was imperative. That same year the CIA abandoned him, refusing even to acknowledge in camera to a federal judge his role in the Sandinista sting, much less his long and seamy clandestine service. In a tangled plea bargain on the old Quaalude charges, a bitterly defiant Seal, still holding onto his Mena secrets and still contemplating a profitable return to Arkansas, found himself on a court-ordered six months' sentence to a Salvation Army halfway house in Baton Rouge. It was there that assassins found him alone in his trademark white Cadillac on a wet February night in 1986. With remarkable dispatch and no further inquiry a group of Colombians, said to be working for Medellin, were arrested and sentenced to life. That same winter President Reagan went on nationwide television to denounce the Sandinistas as drug runners, using Seal's covert film to demonstrate his outrage. The Seal family buried Barry in Baton Rouge with a Snickers bar, his telephone pager, and a roll of quarters, under the ironic epitaph he had dictated for himself - "A rebel adventurer the likes of whom in previous days made America great." *** Only hours before his gangland-style assassination, Seal had been making his habitual calls to Mena. After the killing, activities in the Ouachitas continued unabated, proving the operation went far beyond a lone smuggler. In October 1986 the Fat Lady was shot down over Nicaragua with a load of arms for the Contras. In the wreckage was the body of copilot Wallace "Buzz" Sawyer, a native of western Arkansas; detailed records on board linked Fat Lady to Seal and Area 51, a secret nuclear weapons facility and CIA base in Nevada. It would be the head- line-making confession of the Fat Lady's lone survivor, Eugene Hasenfus, that would hasten a partial public airing of the Iran-Contra affair. Though the Mena operation remained largely concealed in the ensuing expose, records showed that there had been several calls around the time of the Fat Lady's ill-fated mission from one of the CIA conspirators in Iran-Contra to Vice President Bush's office in Washington and to operatives in western Arkansas. "After the Hasenfus plane was shot down, you couldn't find a soul around Mena," remembered William Holmes, who now found that the CIA refused to pay him, reneging also on one of the last gun orders. The hiatus at Intermountain Regional was brief. By early 1987 an Arkansas state police investigator noted "new activity at the [Mena] air- port," the appearance of "an Australian business [a company that would be linked with the CIA] and C-130s." At the same moment two FBI agents warned the trooper, as he later testified under oath, that the CIA "had something going on at the Mena airport involving Southern Air Transport [another concern linked to the CIA]... and they didn't want us to screw it up." Since the CIA is expressly prohibited by law from conducting any such operations within the US, the documented actions constituted not only criminal activity by the intelligence agency, but also suborned collusion in it by the FBI. In August 1987, eighteen months after Barry Seal's assassination, an FBI telex advised the Arkansas State Police that "a CIA or DEA operation is taking place at the Mena airport." In the late 1980s, as intelligence sources eventually confirmed to the Wall Street Journal, a secret missile system was tested, CIA planes were repainted, and furtive military exercises were carried out in the Ouachitas. As late as the fall of 1991 an IRS investigative memorandum would record that "the CIA still has ongoing operations out of the Mena, AR airport... and that one of the operations at the airport is laundering money." When the story of those more recent activities leaked in 1995, the rival agencies behaved in time-honored Washing- ton manner with the media, the CIA furtively explaining Mena as "a rogue DEA operation," the DEA and FBI offering "no comment." Months before Seal's murder, two law enforcement officials based in western Arkansas - IRS agent Bill Duncan and state police detective Russell Welch - had begun to compile what a local county prosecutor called a "mammoth investigative file" on the Mena operation. Welch's material became part of an eventual thirty-five-volume, 3,000-page Arkansas State Police archive dealing with the crimes. Working with a US attorney from outside Arkansas, a specialist in the laundering or "churning" of drug proceeds, who prepared a meticulous presentation of the Mena case for a grand jury, including detailed witness lists, bookkeeping records from inside the operation, numerous other documents, and an impressive chain of evidence, Duncan drafted some thirty federal indictments on money laundering and other charges. "Those indictments were a real slam dunk if there ever was one," said someone who saw the extensive evidence. Then, in a pattern federal and state law enforcement officers saw repeated around the nation under the all-purpose fraudulent claim of "national security," the cases were effectively suppressed. For all their evidence and firsthand investigation, Duncan and Welch were not even called to testify before appropriate grand juries, state or federal. At one point a juror from Mena had happened to see hometown boy Russell Welch, a former teacher, at the courthouse and "told the others that if they wanted to know something about the Mena airport," as one ac- count described it, "they ought to ask that guy out there in the hall." But "to know something about the Mena airport" was not what Washington or Little Rock would want. Though the Reagan-appointed US attorneys for the region at the time, Asa Hutchinson and J. Michael Fitzhugh, repeatedly denied, as Fitzhugh put it, "any pressure in any investigation," Duncan and Welch watched the Mena inquiry systematically quashed and their own careers destroyed as the IRS and state police effectively disavowed their investigations and turned on them. "Somebody outside ordered it shut down," one would say, "and the walls went up." Welch recorded his fear and disillusion in his diary on November 17, 1987: "Should a cop cross over the line and dare to investigate the rich and powerful, he might well prepare himself to become the victim of his own government.... The cops are all afraid to tell what they know for fear that they will lose their jobs." Subject: Re: BILL LIKES TO KEEP 'EM DIRTY AROUND HIM From: lar-jen@interaccess.com (Larry-Jennie) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 06:18:45 -0600 Message-ID: Organization: InterAccess,Chicagoland's Full Service Internet Provider Newsgroups: alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater References: In article cayenne@nyct.net (Martin McPhillips) writes: >Getting Those Close To Him *Dirty* >from "Love and Hate in Arkansas: L.D. Brown's >Story," by Daniel Wattenberg in The American >Spectator, May 1994 Here is more abut what L.D. Brown had to say about the shenanigans of Clinton's Arkansas: Excerpt from: PARTNERS IN POWER by Roger Morris pg. 404-411 Early in 1984, a twenty-nine-year-old Arkansas trooper named Larry Douglass Brown was eagerly applying for work with the Central Intelligence Agency. As he told the story with impressive substantiation from other accounts a decade afterward, Brown had been privy to some of the Clintons' most personal liaisons, their biting relationship with each other, their behind-the-doors bigotry toward "redneck" Arkansas, and other intimacies; he and a stoic Hillary had even talked earnestly about problems in their respective marriages. At one point in the early 1980s, Brown had come in contact with Vice President Bush during an official gathering. Th e"rather conservative' young officer, as one friend described him, had been impressed by Bush. Afterward Clinton has twitted him about his Republican "hero," though the two remained close. Regarded as among the better state police officers, Brown received some of the most sophisticated training that national law enforcement agencies offer regional police officers, including advanced courses provided by the DEA and Customs in intelligence gathering, drug importation, and conspiracy cases. Because of Brown's extensive training, Clinton handpicked him to serve of a state committee studying the drug epidemic to help develop educational programs in Arkansas, and Brown wrote several of the panel's position papers later cited as evidence of the state government's fight against narcotics. By Brown's repeated accounts, including hundreds of pages of testimony under oath and supporting documentation, the sum of the story was stark: The governor had clearly been aware of the crimes of Mena as early as 1984. He knew the Central Intelligence Agency was responsible, knew that there was major arms and drug running out of western Arkansas, believed the smuggling involved not only Barry Seal but also a cocaine dealer who was one of Clinton's most prominent backers, and seemed to know that approval of the Mena flights reached as high as Vice President Bush. Brown remembered how Bill Clinton had encouraged him to join in the operation -- "Clinton got me into this, the governor did," he would testify -- and how Clinton had then dismissed his repugnance at the evidence that Seal was trafficking cocaine under CIA auspices. The state policeman watched in "despair," his brother recalled, while the governor did nothing about the drug smuggling. Brown would still think a decade later that Bill Clinton "was surprised only in that I had found out about it." Clinton had urged him to answer a newspaper ad for CIA employment that ran in the NEW YORK TIMES on April Fool's Day, 1984. "L.D., I've always told you you'd make a good spy," Clinton remarked to him when Brown showed him the paper and asked "if this is for real?" "Well, you know that's not his name," Clinton said of a personnel officer listed in the ad, "but you need to write him a letter." Brown did just that two days later. "Governor Clinton has been an inspiration for me to further my career in government service," he wrote, " and in particular to explore the possibilities of employment with your agency." Clinton proceeded to show an avid interest in Brown's application. He urged Brown to study Russian for an intelligence career, and Brown characteristically took the advice to heart, practicing the foreign script in a copybook and artlessly, proudly informing the CIA of his "understanding the Cyrillic alphabet." He and Clinton talked, too, of the role of an operations officer, with Clinton explaining the CIA's diplomatic cover abroad and the recruitment of informers. "It was strange, you know. He was into the fiction aspect of it and intrigue," Brown remembered. At one point Clinton told him he would personally call the CIA on his behalf. "He, obviously, from all our conversations, knew somebody," Brown recounted in a sworn deposition. "I don't know who he called, but he said he would. He said he did. I made a note one day that he made a phone call for me." But in a private conversation Brown would go even further with the story of the call. Clinton, he said, had not bothered to go through any officeholder's liaison or other formal CIA channel in Washington but had simply telephoned someone directly at the agency, someone whom he knew on a first-name basis and with whom he talked for some time. As usual, Brown was impressed with his boss's knowledge and contacts. Early in the process the governor had begun to greet him whenever they met with a grinning question they both understood to refer to Brown's relationship with the CIA. "You having any fun yet?" Clinton would ask. By the end of the summer of 1984 -- four months after taking and passing a CIA entrance examination -- Brown had met with a CIA recruiter in Dallas, someone named Magruder, an "Ivy League looking guy" who spoke "admiringly of Clinton," and whom Brown would later recognize in photographs and identify to congressional investigators in 1996 as a onetime member of Vice President Bush's staff. This was the man who asked him if he would be interested in "paramilitary" or "narcotics" work as well as "security." Brown said he wanted to be considered for such assignment and, in the course of the interview, duly signed a secrecy agreement. Somebody, he was told, would be giving him a call. On September 5 he received formal notification of his nomination for employment. Scarcely a month later the expected CIA call came to his unlisted number at home. As Brown testified, the caller "talked to me about everything I had been through in the meeting in Dallas, ... made me very aware that he knew everything there was to know." He asked Brown to meet him at Cajun's Wharf in Little Rock, a popular restaurant and bar off Cantrell Road in the Arkansas River bottoms just below the white heights. His name, he said, was Barry Seal. At their meeting, the corpulent Seal was memorable for the athletic young state trooper. "Big guy. He had one of those shirts that comes down ... outside your pants, big-guy kind of thing." Seal was cryptic but again seemed clearly to know details Brown had provided on his CIA application. "He knew about the essay and everything I had done, so absolutely there was no question in my mind," Brown testified. Seal also spoke vaguely about working for the CIA: "He'd been flying for the agency, that's all I knew." In comnversations over the next few weeks, Seal referred casually to Clinton as "the guv" and "acted like he knew the governor," Brown recalled. He invited Brown to join him in an "operation" planned to begin at Mena Intermountain Regional just before sunrise on Tuesday, October 23, 1984. Arranging his shifts at the mansion to make time for the flight, Brown met Seal at the Mena airport in the predawn darkness and was surprised to find them boarding not a small private craft but a "huge military plane" painted a dark charcoal with only minimum tail markings, its engines roaring with a "thunderous noise," he remembered. "Scared the shit out of me just taking off." Seal ordered him matter-of-factly to leave behind all personal identification, including his billfold, keys and jewelry. Along with Seal at the controls sat a copilot whose name Brown never learned, and in the back of the aircraft sat two men, "beaners" or "kickers" the trooper called them. Though he did not know it, Brown was aboard the FAT LADY, and his later account marked the flight as on of Mena's routine gun-and-drug runs. After a refueling stop in New Orleans and the flight to Central America, the C-123K dived below radar, then climbed and dipped again for the "kickers" to roll out on casters large tarp-covered palettes, which were swiftly parachuted over what Brown could see out the open cargo door was a tropical, mountainous terrain. Later Sal told Brown the loads were M-16s for the Contras. On the return they landed in Honduras, where Seal and the "kickers" picked up four dark green canvas duffel bags with shoulder straps, which Brown did not see again. Back at Mena Seal handed Brown a manilla envelope with $2,500 in small bills, presumably as payment for his time -- "used money just like you went out and spent," Brown recalled -- and said he would call him again about another "operation." As the ambitious young trooper testified later, he was diffident about this apparent audition with his CIA employers, reluctant to ask questions, even about the cash. "This guy (Seal) obviously knew what he was doing and had the blessing and was working for the agency and knew everything about me, so I wasn't going to be too inquisitive." At the mansion on Brown's next shift following the run to Central America, Clinton greeted him with the usual "You having any fun yet?" though now with a pat on the back. With a "big smile" Brown answered, "Yeah, but this is scary stuff," describing "a big airplane" which he thought "kind of crazy." But Bill Clinton seemed unsurprised and unquestioning, casual as always about what Brown told him about the CIA, Seal and Mena. "Oh, you can handle it," he said again. "Don't sweat it." Brown was startled at the governor's obvious prior knowledge of the flight. "He knew before I said anything. He knew," Brown testified. Asked later under oath if he believed the Seal flight had been sanctioned by the governor, Brown would be unequivocal. "Well, he knew what I was doing. He was the one that furthered me along and shepherded me through this thing." Did he have any doubt that Clinton approved of the flight from Mena to Central America:? "No," he testified. Did he believe the Seal run "a sanctioned and approved mission on behalf of the United States?" "Absolutely. I mean, there is no doubt." Not long afterward, in the later fall of 1984, Seal called the trooper as promised, again inquiring about Clinton: "he always asked me first thing, how is the guv?" They talked about the first flight and Seal, ruminating on his service for the CIA, confirmed that they had dropped a load of contraband M-16s for the Contras. "That's all he talked about was flying and (the) CIA and how much work he had done for them, and that's all he did. That's all we would talk about," Brown recalled. They met again, this time at a Chinese restaurant near the Capitol, and arranged for Brown to go on another trip in late December. On Christmas Eve, 1984, once more with the governor's encouragement, Brown again flew with Seal to Central America on what he still understood to be some kind of orientation mission for his CIA employment. Seal picked up two duffel bags on the return through Honduras, and just as before, back at Mean he offered Brown $2,500 in small bills. Yet this time Seal also brought one of the duffels to Brown's Datsun hatchback in the Intermountain Regional parking lot and proceeded to take out of it what the former narcotics investigator instantly recognize as a kilo of cocaine, a "waxene-wrapped package," as he called it, "a brick." Alarmed and incensed, brown quickly told Seal he "wanted no part of what was happening" and left, speeding back to Little Rock in mounting agitation, not least over the role of the state's chief executive. "I'm just going nuts in my mind with all the possibilities," he would say. "I'm thinking, well , this is, this is an official operation. Clinton got me into this, the governor did. It can't be as sinister as I think it is ... He knew about the airplane flights. He knew about it and initiated the conversation about it the first time I came back." Returning to the guardhouse, Brown first called his "best friend," his brother Dwayne in Pine Bluff, who remembered his being "terribly upset" and later went to the mansion to see him when the Clintons were away. According to the two men, Brown told his brother part of what he had encountered, though without mentioning the CIA involvement. "Who's pushing this. Who is behind it?" his brother asked at one point. In reply, as each recalled clearly, Brown "nodded over towards the governor's mansion." Brown decided to approach Clinton directly about what he has seen. ^ When they were together soon after the second flight, a smiling Clinton seemed about to ask the usual question. But Brown was angry. He asked Clinton if he knew Barry Seal was smuggling narcotics. "Do you know what they're bringing back on that airplane?" He said to Clinton in fury. "Wait, whoa, whoa, what's going on?" the governor responded, and Brown answered, "well, essentially they're bringing back coke." More than a decade later, Brown would testify to his dismay at Clinton's response" "and it wasn't like it was a surprise to him. It wasn't like -- he didn't try to say, what? ... He was surprised that I was mad because he though we were going to have a cordial conversation, but he didn't try to deny it. He didn't try to deny it wasn't coming back, that I wasn't telling the truth or that he didn't know anything about it." In waving off Brown's questions about Mena, Clinton had made another remark as well, added as what seemed both justification and warning. "And your hero Bush knows about it," he told Brown. "And your buddy Bush knows about it." Brown was chilled. "I'm not going to have anything else to do with it ... I'm out of it," he told Clinton. "Stick a fork in me, I'm done," he added, an adolescent phrase from their shared Arkansas boyhood. The governor had tried to calm him: "Settle down. That's no problem." But Brown turned away, hurried to his car, and drove off, leaving behind his once-promising career. "I got out of there, and from then it was, you know, not good." The trooper immediately called the CIA to withdraw his application, albeit discreetly. "Just changed my mind," he recalled telling them. But he saw no recourse, no appeal to some higher level of government in a crimes in which both the governor of the state and Washington were knowledgeable and thus complicit. "I mean if the governor knows about it ... and I work for the governor," he remembered thinking, "exactly who would I have gone to and told? I mean, the federal government knows that this guy is doing this ... I don't know what authority I would have gone to." More than a year later, as they were having drinks in Jonesboro, Brown would tell the commandant of the state police, Colonel Tommy Goodwin, but even then he acted out of a desire to confess his unwitting involvement rather than out of any expectation that Arkansas would move on the crimes. All the while, he was bothered by the role of his onetime hero at the mansion. "Number one," he would testify later of Bill Clinton, "he didn't deny it. I wanted him to tell me, OH, GOOD GOSH, THAT'S TERRIBLE. WE'VE GOT TO REPORT THIS. And I wanted him to deny knowing anything about it or explain it away to me ... THEY'VE GOT A BIG STING PLANNED, AND THEY'RE TRYING, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE A CASE ON SUCH AND SUCH, but no. It was no surprise to him. He was surprised, I think -- this is what I think -- that Seal showed it to me. That's what I think to this day." But perhaps what most disturbed L.D. Brown was a direct reference by Clinton to a member of the governor's own inner circle. Clinton "throws up his hands" when Brown mentions the cocaine, as if a crucial, somehow rationalizing distinction should be made between the gunrunning and the drug trafficking. "Oh, no," Clinton said, denying that the cocaine was related to the CIA Brown was hoping to join. "That's Lasater's deal." For a free subscription to the CIA Drugs mailing list: email: ciadrugs-request@mars.galstar.com In the "Subject," write: SUBSCRIBE $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$ $$ $$ The CIA cocaine smuggling on behalf of the Contras $$ $$ through Mena, Arkansas corrupted the Presidencies $$ $$ of Bill Clinton, George Bush and Ronald Reagan. $$ $$ For details, see: $$ $$ ftp://pencil.cs.missouri.edu/pub/mena/ $$ $$ $$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ [end of message ... text also available at ] Date: Sun Jun 29, 1997 11:34 pm CST From: ciadrugs EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: ciadrugs@mars.galstar.com TO: ciadrugs EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: ciadrugs@mars.galstar.com BCC: * David Beiter / MCI ID: 635-1762 Subject: ciadrugs] Public Enemy No. 1 (From Jean Duffey) -------------Begin Forwarded Material From Jean Duffey------------------ Public Enemy No. 1 Update: June 29, 1997 The "train deaths" http://www.idmedia.com/ttd.htm ------------------------------------------------ "Our worst enemies here are not the ignorant and the simple, however cruel; our worst enemies are the intelligent and the corrupt." -Graham Greene AN ENEMY HAS BEEN CLEARLY DEFINED Many visitors to our website have taken it upon themselves to contact several of the public officials involved with the train deaths case. One of those officials sometimes contacted is I.C. Smith, who is the head of the Arkansas FBI office. Some who have spoken with Smith were so appalled by what he said, they have called or e-mailed to tell us. To begin with, Smith purports that the FBI is "NOT CONVINCED THE BOYS WERE MURDERED." Is this stupidity or what? From January of 1994 to well into 1995, the FBI had an agent assigned full-time to investigate the murders. The investigation was shut down, not because there was a sudden determination that the boys weren't murdered after all, but because it became impossible to ignore the Mena connection. Is Smith really expecting, or even wanting, us to believe that the FBI conducted an eighteen-month-long murder investigation before they determined there even was a murder? Rather than exposing the Mena drug-smuggling operation, the FBI wants us to believe that their incompetence amounts to idiocy. Even if the boys' bodies were never exhumed, and second autopsies were never performed, and a team of seven forensic experts did not agree and report that the signs of murder were clear, questions surrounding the case cries COVER-UP, and accidents are not covered up. If the boys had accidentally laid down on the tracks and gotten themselves run over by a train, why have local, state, and federal agencies put money and manpower into seven seperate investigations spanning nearly a decade? What other accidental deaths have received that kind of attention? Why have these investigations been allowed to go forward just to be shut down suddenly when the inevitable connection to the Mena drug-smuggling operation is made? How did Dan Harmon, now known to have been involved in the murders, just happen to be appointed by Judge John Cole to head the Saline County grand jury investigation of the murders? Why did Cole refuse to hear the complaints of the grand jurors that Harmon would not allow them to see the evidence and hear the witnesses they wanted? Why did at least seven witnesses turn up dead? Why did U.S. Attorney Chuck Banks shut down a federal investigation after I took him information connecting the murders to a major drug operation involving public officials? Why did Banks clear Harmon when federal grand jurors were unanimously ready to indict him on drug-related charges? Why did Harmon's RICO indictment exclude his involvement in the murders even though the FBI have three eye witnesses placing Harmon at the scene? Why have I been able to locate a fourth eye-witness that the FBI says they can't find? ENOUGH! We know why. It's because those who have the power to call the shots do not want the crimes of Mena exposed. So, it has become I.C. Smith's assignment to dispel any such notion that a crime was even committed. Lot's of luck. Smith has got to be feeling like an imbecile for even making such a suggestion. That must be why he has other suggestions up his sleeve. Like, the boys were not all that wholesome, and the parents were not all that attentive. I'm not making this up. I'm just repeating what sources have told me Smith said to them. And I can tell you, I am personally more offended by such slurs against Kevin and Don and their parents, than I am by Smith's asinine statement that they were not murdered. For argument's sake, let's say the boys had been very troubled teens and that their parents did not supervise them properly. What is Smith's point? Is he saying this somehow justifies their deaths? Smith has been caught in numerous lies, he has attempted to generate bias against the parents of murdered children, and he has hinted that Kevin had a criminal record - if that was true, Smith would be breaking the law for disclosing a juvenile criminal record. Since it isn't true, Smith is telling a slanderous, bald-faced lie. Why do our tax dollars have to pay the salary of the likes of I.C. Smith? Fax or mail this update to Smith and FBI Director Louis Freeh. We have the right to let them know how we feel about such behavior from a high-ranking, high-salaried public official. Do not doubt that each of you who takes the time to express your concerns can make a difference. "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -Margaret Mead Best wishes to you all, Jean Duffey If anyone can locate an e-mail address on Smith or Freeh, please share it with us. I. C. Smith, Arkansas Special Agent in Charge Federal Bureau of Investigation Suite 200 Two Financial Centre 10825 Financial Centre Parkway Little Rock, AR. 72211-3552 Phone: (501) 221-9100 Fax: (501) 228-8509 Louis J. Freeh, Director Federal Bureau of Investigation J. Edgar Hoover Building 935 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20535-0001 Telephone: (202) 324-3000 end--------------------------------------------------- Update: June 29, 1997 --- For list service help, send a message to ciadrugs-request@mars.galstar.com with a subject of HELP. Date: Mon Jun 30, 1997 11:44 am CST From: ciadrugs EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: ciadrugs@mars.galstar.com TO: CTRL EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: CTRL@listserv.aol.com CC: ciadrugs EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: ciadrugs@mars.galstar.com BCC: * David Beiter / MCI ID: 635-1762 Subject: ciadrugs] CTRL-Mena, old as the hills? an excerpt from: Scarlet and the Beast - A History of the War Between English and French Freemasonry John Daniel (C)1994 John Kregel, Inc. P. O. box 131480 Tyler, Texas 75713 ISBN 0-9635079-0-7 ----- can be purchased from: Global insights 675 Fairview Dr. #246 Carson City, NV 89701 702-885-0700 800-729-4131(orders only) [not me & and no way related except human; Roads End ;^)> ] ----- As always Caveat Lector. Om ----- Foreign newspapers are reporting on President Bill Clinton's political corruption, while our own Masonically controlled press remains silent. In February 1995, The Times of London, tied Bill Clinton's rise in politics to illegal drugs: What is the basic truth of this Whitewater matter? To put it briefly: The state of Arkansas was corrupt the way Mexico is corrupt, long before Bill Clinton entered state politics, long before he was born. The corruption goes back over a hundred years to the period after the Civil War [when 33rd degree Freemason Albert Pike ran the political machine in Arkansas]. In the 1970s, the corruption came to be financed by drug money, even before Clinton became governor. People got killed; we even know the names of some of the hit men. By the early 1980s, drug importation through Arkansas, much of it through Mena airport. reached billions of dollars. The new narco-millionaires bought political protection by bribery and by financing political campaigns, including Clinton's. They made it their business to involve and implicate their political allies. They killed dangerous witnesses. including schoolboys and probably including Vincent Foster; his body was moved, his suicide was faked. As governor, Bill Clinton set up his own unaccounted $700 million ADFA operation, which made loans to his supporters and friends, many of whom subscribed to his political fund. In the 1980s, Arkansas was awash with cocaine and money-launderying. It may have been impossible for Bill Clinton to keep his hands clean, but his great mistake was to think that he could go from being governor of Arkansas, a deeply corrupted state, to being U.S. president without the truth emerginCA Long Range Navigation (LORAN) radar. Flying at low level, they could evade US Customs and Defense radar detection systems.... When this was not feasible, a shadow aircraft, typically US Air Force with a scheduled night plan, was used to conceal the radar signature of a drug aircraft flying in close proximity.... Once over American soil, they would be intercepted by CIA aircraft and led over Inertial Landing Systems (ILS) radar. Positive identification was established with Identify Friend or Foe (IFF) transponders, that were installed on both trafficker and CIA aircraft. The CIA chase aircraft, having taken the helm, would lead the drug aircraft over a drop zone. The drug plane would then track on the ILS radar beam, typically associated with landing, and release his cargo to agents on the ground. We were those agents. Once we gathered up the cargo, we would transport it to a pre-designated area and fly it to Mena, Arkansas.(28) With revenue generated from the illegal sale of these drugs, the CIA funded the Contras of Nicaragua in their fight against the communists. This operation flew under the banner of patriotism. pp-157-159 ----- --notes-- 26. Mike Royko, "Rupert Murdoch and the Arkansas narco-fiends," The Orlando Sentinel (21 February 1995) A-9; quoting William Rees-Mogg in The Times. 27. Kenneth C. Bucchi, C.LA.: Cocaine in America (New York: Shapolsky Publishers, 1994) 137. 28. Bucchi 52. ----- Aloha, He'Ping Om, Shalom, Salaam. Peace Be, Amen. Roads End Kris --- For list service help, send a message to ciadrugs-request@mars.galstar.com with a subject of HELP. Date: Wed Jul 02, 1997 3:09 am CST From: ciadrugs EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: ciadrugs@mars.galstar.com TO: ciadrugs mailing list EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: ciadrugs@mars.galstar.com BCC: * David Beiter / MCI ID: 635-1762 Subject: ciadrugs] We're Having An Effect We're Having An Effect "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -Margaret Mead Update: July 2, 1997 The "train deaths" http://www.idmedia.com/ttd.htm ------------------------------------------------ Until now, government officials have never had to deal with an informed public - the internet generation. Arkansas FBI Head Agent, I.C. Smith, is being put on the hot seat by readers of my latest update, "Public Enemy No. 1." Smith doesn't understand that, unlike talking to mainstream media, the internet medium will challenge his lies and half truths. If you missed it, you may read that update at http://www.idmedia.com/enemy-no-1.htm. The statements Smith made to internet comrade Chris Blau in a thirty-five minute telephone conversation yesterday are in response to that update. My comments follow Smith's statements. * Smith says, there are only one or two witnesses placing Harmon on the tracks with the boys the night they were murdered, and one of them failed four or five polygraphs. ONLY one or two witnesses! What does he mean, ONLY? Well, anyway, which is it - one or two? Neither, there are five witnesses that I know Smith knows about. Two of them are in prison. And guess who prosecuted them. Dan Harmon. Can you beat that? After U.S. Attorney Chucks Banks shut down the 1990 federal grand jury that was unanimously ready to indict Harmon, Harmon went after those two witnesses. A third eye witness came forward to Linda Ives in 1993, was taken to the FBI, and passed a polygraph test. The FBI said the witness corroborated what they already knew, and a case file was opened. During that investigation, the agent in charge told Linda of a fourth witness; an ex-cop who participated in placing the bodies on the tracks. The fifth witness is one the FBI said they could not locate. I recently found out where he is, though, so how hard could it be? Now, about the witness Smith says failed a polygraph four or five times. Well, which is it - four or five? Neither, it's two. Smith is talking about Sharline Wilson, one of the two witnesses Harmon prosecuted after he was cleared by Banks. Sharline, a confessed cocaine dealer, dated Harmon several years in the 1980's. When Sharline lost custody of her son (by a previous marriage), she began to clean up her life. She gave testimony to the 1990 federal grand jury against Harmon, and later, she tells about driving Harmon to the tracks the night the boys were murdered. According to Sharline, Harmon left her with an eight-ball of cocaine which kept her high for several hours while she sat waiting in the car. Sharline says she knew the area was a drop zone for drugs but says she didn't know what had happened that night until she heard about the boys the next morning. After Banks cleared Harmon in June, 1991 of "all wrong-doing," Harmon was not the only one still interested in Sharline. She was interrogated by several agencies, including the FBI, and says she often felt like she was being badgered and harassed. She volunteered to be polygraphed but became so upset during the pretest interview, the polygrapher said he couldn't even get a positive reading when she stated her name. Failed polygraph number one. The next time she was polygraphed was after she had been arrested by Harmon's drug task force for what she says was "a set up." She had been terrorized by Harmon and had been sitting in jail for months. The night before the test, she was transported to another facility where she spent the night in isolation. By then she was an emotional wreck, and claims she told them what they wanted to hear. She "confessed" to killing the boys herself. Failed polygraph number two. It's amazing that Smith would use those bogus test results to discredit a witness against Dan Harmon. * Smith says he is responsible for Dan Harmon's conviction and is not being given credit. Fine, if he wants credit for Harmon's conviction, he's got some explaining to do. Two of his own agents, one in a taped telephone conversation, said the FBI has known about Harmon's illegal activities for years. Why did they wait to do anything about it until a small-town newspaper ran a story about Harmon's ex-wife being caught with cocaine packages from his district's evidence locker? The answer is in the question - it was reported in the newspaper. The feds (Smith, since he wants the credit) were forced to do something. They conducted an eighteen-month-long showy investigation which resulted in an eleven count indictment, but a conviction on only five counts. The government (Smith, since he wants the credit) should have asked for indictments for Harmon's criminal activity ten years back which is allowed under federal RICO law. This would have given the case the strength of a mountain of evidence my task force had against Harmon. No excuse or explanation has been given for cutting Harmon's indictment off at August of 1991, just a month after Banks held a press conference announcing there were no dirty public officials in Saline County. * Smith says he doesn't doubt there was or is drug activity around Mena. So, what is he doing about it? * Smith says he is not sure the FBI has the jurisdiction to investigate the murders. This is one of the most incredible statements Smith makes repeatedly. The FBI has jurisdiction over any drug-related/public official-related crime. If the FBI's jurisdiction was questionable, why was an agent assigned to work the case full-time for more than eighteen months? It wasn't lack of jurisdiction that stopped the investigation. It was the link to the Mena drug-smuggling operation that caused that shut-down as well as six previous investigations of the murders, and is likely the real reason Harmon's indictment didn't include his involvement in the murders. (Smith can have credit for that, too.) The tragedy of Kevin and Don's murders is compounded by the government's cover-up to hide it's involvement in the drug trade. The tragedy is further compounded because it is far from being an isolated incident. Another of many is the murder of Tommy Burkett . If you aren't familiar with Tommy's story, please visit his parents' website at http://www.clark.net/pub/tburkett/pacc/PACC.html. Their own struggle with the FBI to expose the truth has given them insight into an agency that most Americans still trust and value. Tom Burkett says: "The FBI is not in the business of truth; it is in the business of control." I believe, however, that we can force change. We must arm citizens with truth and confront officials with knowledge. Our public officials can no longer be sheltered by corporate media. They are having to face us, the internet generation. We're on a roll, so we can't stop now. Go to "Congress E-Mail" at http://www.idmedia.com/congr-list.htm and send the Senators and Representatives of your choice (all of them would be better) a copy of "Public Enemy No. 1" and my responses to I.C. Smith in this update. John F. Williams, an internet comrade, provided us with Congress's E-mail list. He has already sent out "Public Enemy No. 1" with this message to our illustrious leaders: "For those of you who think that a conspiracy theory is a conspiracy theory, wake up, before it is too late." It is up to us to give them their wake-up call. "Corruption flourishes in an atmosphere of tolerance that allows it to prevail." - Capt. Frank Furillo The best to you, Jean Duffey end----------------------------------------------------- Update: July 2, 1997 Home --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- For list service help, send a message to ciadrugs-request@mars.galstar.com with a subject of HELP. Date: Wed Jul 02, 1997 6:54 pm CST From: ciadrugs EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: ciadrugs@mars.galstar.com TO: ciadrugs EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: ciadrugs@mars.galstar.com BCC: * David Beiter / MCI ID: 635-1762 Subject: ciadrugs] The Mafia, CIA & Barry Seal The Mafia, CIA & George Bush By Pete Brewton S.P.I. Books, 1992 Pg. 154-160 There was something more to Herman K. Beebe than just the drinking, the skirt chasing, the business wheeling and dealing, the La Costa hangout, the Teamsters, Carlos Marcello and the Mafia. There were the helicopters for the CIA agent in Guatemala who was training Contras in Belize; there was Gilbert Dozier, the former Louisiana agriculture commissioner serving time for extortion and bribery, who was going to turn state's evidence against Beebe until President Reagan pardoned him at the request of CIA Director William Casey," there was Beebe's financing the establishment of Palmer National Bank in Washington, D.C., which was helping funnel money to the Contras three blocks from the White House; and there was E. Trine Starnes, Jr., one of the biggest borrowers at Beebe-controlled S&Ls and one of the biggest private donors to the Contras. But first there was Barry Seal and the C-4 explosives in a Shreveport warehouse destined for anti-Castro Cubans in Mexico. Adler Berriman "Barry" Seal - "El Gordo" - the fat man, also known as "Thunder Thighs," was from Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Called the world's greatest pilot, he was at least the youngest ever to captain a Boeing 747, at the age of twenty-six. But several years later he turned to the Dark Side of the Force: He was caught dealing with Mafia associates and CIA operatives in one of the most bizarre and inexplicable criminal cases on record. It went down this way: On July 1, 1972, Seal was taking some sick leave from his job as a captain flying 707s and 747s out of New York to Europe for Trans World Airlines. As he walked out of his motel room near the New Orleans International Airport, he was arrested by federal agents and charged with violating the Mutual Security Act of 1954, which prohibited the exportation of weapons without the permission of the U.S. State Department. Also involved in the plot and arrested that day were eight other individuals in Shreveport, Louisiana, New Orleans and Eagle Pass, Texas. A DC-4 that Seal had recently purchased in Miami was seized at the Shreveport Regional Airport. On board were 13,500 pounds of C-4 explosives, 7,000 feet of explosive primer cord, 2,600 electric blasting caps and 25 electrical detonators. The explosives, according to the U.S. Attorney's Office in Louisiana, were destined for Cuban exiles in Mexico, who were going to use them in an effort to overthrow the government of Fidel Castro. Arrested in New Orleans along with Seal was a man from Brooklyn, New York, named Murray Morris Kessler. Kessler was the key middle man in the deal. He was the one who agreed to sell the explosives to the Cubans and then arranged for the transportation. Kessler, who had six previous criminal convictions and was awaiting trial in New York on income-tax fraud when he was arrested, was well known to the Brooklyn Organized Crime Strike Force. He was a friend and business associate of Emmanuel "Mannie" Gambino, a member of the Gambino Mafia crime family and nephew of Carlo Gambino, the boss of the Gambino family. Kessler and Mannie Gambino were partners in Neptune's Nuggets, a Long Island frozen stuffed-seafood packaging firm that had been criticized in Newsday articles for having a product that was extremely low in seafood and extremely high in bacteria. About a month before Kessler was arrested in the explosives scheme, Mannie Gambino dropped out of sight. Gambino, reported by Jonathan Kwitny in Vicious Circles to be a loan shark, had been murdered. The man who brought Kessler into the scheme was just as interesting as the mob associate from Brooklyn. He was Richmond C. Harper, a millionaire banker and meat-packing plant owner from Eagle Pass, Texas, a small town on the Rio Grande between Laredo and Del Rio. After he was charged in the conspiracy, Harper told reporters, "I do know Murray Kessler. He is a friend of mine. And I have loaned him my airplane occasionally when he is down in this part of the world. I don't know what business he is in. To be truthful, I really don't." In a statement Seal made after the trial, he said that the "request for arms and ammunition was brought across the border to a rancher/ banker by the name of Mr. Richmond Harper in Eagle Pass, Texas, who had very deep ties right into the White House." One of those people in Washington close to Harper was Myles J. Ambrose, the U.S. Customs Commissioner, who at that time was also in charge of the Federal Narcotics Bureau, the predecessor of the Drug Enforcement Administration. Ambrose would come to visit Harper and go hunting with him on his ranch in Mexico, according to a former Customs official under Ambrose: "We tried to warn him [Ambrose]. Tell him that this guy [Harper] is bad. He wouldn't listen." Ambrose's visits to Harper were also discovered in 1976 by the House banking subcommittee investigating the Texas rent-a-bank scandal. Ambrose resigned his position in November 1972, apparently after learning that Harper was going to be indicted in the case. Harper was indicted the next month. (One of Ambrose's running buddies was Jack Caulfield, a White House undercover spy and aide to John Ehrlichman, and one of the conceptual fathers of Richard Nixon's White House Plumbers, the leak-pluggers who turned to perpetrating dirty campaign tricks.) In addition to the scheme to sell explosives to anti-Castro Cubans, Harper had also been observed by Customs agents flying arms and ammunition to Shreveport, and earlier to Alexandria, Louisiana. It may be just a coincidence, but Herman K. Beebe moved from Alexandria to Shreveport in 1971. In a written statement after the trial, Seal said that "Flores [one of the defendants] contacted Richmond Harper, who contacted alleged Mafia connections in New York, who contacted a representative of theirs in Louisiana, who contacted me, Adler B. Seal, for the contract for the flying." This statement is important because it shows Seal - for the first time that I am aware of - admitting to a connection to the Mafia. Was it Beebe's doing? The possibility that it was increases with three additional pieces of information. One, the warehouse where the explosives were stored in Shreveport was owned by Beebe, according to a private investigator and a Customs official who is familiar with the case. Two, with the help of Beebe's partner, Ben Barnes, Harper obtained a $1.9 million loan from Surety Savings in Houston - where Beebe was doing business and brokering deposits. And three, one of the principals of a helicopter company that Beebe financed was a longtime, childhood friend of Seal's. Seal, Harper, Kessler and the other defendants were not brought to trial until the summer of 1974. The trial seemed to be proceeding in a normal fashion until the fifth day, when Seal's attorney requested a mistrial and the judge granted it. It seems that the government prosecutors couldn't produce two key witnesses against the defendants. One, Jaime Fernandez, was involved in the explosives scheme when the government began its investigation and later became a government informant, according to prosecutors. Jimmy Tallant, the lead prosecutor from the Organized Crime Strike Force, told the judge that Fernandez was a co-conspirator until he went to Mexican authorities with the scheme. Tallant stated that he went to Mexico to try to get Fernandez to come to Louisiana to testify, but Fernandez refused. The second witness, Francisco "Paco" Flores, was a defendant, but federal agents couldn't find him. The judge declared a mistrial and the charges were later dismissed by an appeals court. End of story, or so it seemed. However, after the trial, Seal wrote out a four-page statement, apparently because he felt he was being unjustly harassed by the Customs Service in his subsequent travels into and out of the United States. In this statement, Seal spins a fantastic story about how the whole scheme was a government sting operation set up to ingratiate our government with Fidel Castro so that he would sign an anti-hijacking agreement. In the proposed agreement Castro would let American planes hijacked to Cuba return without having to pay stiff fines. The Customs Service undercover agent who carried out the sting was Cesario Diosdado, according to Seal, who "through records I have obtained from a private investigative agency in Denver, Colorado, has been proved to have been an ex-CIA agent who worked in the Bay of Pigs invasion and had been working both sides of the fence in the Miami/Cuban area." Diosdado testified in the trial that his investigation began with Jaime Fernandez, but earlier stories indicated that Diosdado had either started the ball rolling or picked it up and ran with it, even traveling to New York to show Kessler some letters of credit with which to buy the explosives. But much later, ten years after the trial, Seal changed his story about the purpose of the operation. In sworn testimony in a trial in Las Vegas in which he was a government witness, after he had turned informant, he testified that the explosives were for CIA-trained anti- Castro Cubans. Several law enforcement officials familiar with the case said that regardless of whether the scheme was a Customs sting or a CIA operation for or against Castro, the CIA pulled the plug on it during the middle of the trial. The agency did so because some of the key participants and witnesses worked for the CIA and it didn't want to compromise their identities as CIA assets. Russell Welch, an officer with the Arkansas State Police who has spent years investigating Barry Seal, said the case was dismissed because "Seal and others were protected, because the informant was protected, the CIA didn't want to burn him." Richard Gregorie, a former assistant U.S. Attorney in Miami, who used Seal as a drug informant in 1984, told Rodney Bowers of the Arkansas Democrat that the case was dismissed because of "government misconduct." "Although Gregorie said he had no knowledge of prior undercover work," Rodney Bowers reported in December 1989, "he told the Democrat in a recent interview that the 1972 incident gave an 'indication' that Seal might have been involved in a government operation at that time." After the charges were dismissed, Seal, who had been fired by TWA, began to work full-time as a CIA asset and a drug smuggler. His activities between the explosives case and his murder on the parking lot of a halfway house in Baton Rouge in February 1986 - allegedly by associates of the Colombian Medellin drug cartel - have been well reported by journalists Kwitny, Bowers, John Cummings, John Camp and Jerry Bohnen, who revealed that: After the explosives case was dismissed, Seal began working full- time for the CIA, traveling back and forth from the United States to Latin America. By 1977 he had turned to narcotics trafficking, and became one of the most proficient, if not THE most proficient, drug smuggler in this country. But in 1983 he was turned in by an informant in Florida, convicted and sentenced to a long jail term. Desperate, he tried to make a deal with the DEA to turn informant, but no one would listen to him until he spoke to George Bush's Vice Presidential Task Force on Drugs. Seal told Bush's Task Force that the Sandinistas in Nicaragua were involved in drug smuggling. Even though there was not one shred of evidence for it, and still isn't, this "revelation" thrilled the task force to bits, and Seal was basically forced onto the DEA as an informant. One of his first tasks was to catch the Sandinistas in the act. So he took his C-123K cargo plane to the CIA, which installed a hidden camera in it. Seals flew the wired plane to Nicaragua and allegedly took some pictures - he said the camera malfunctioned and he had to operate it by hand - of a purported Sandinista official loading cocaine onto the plane. The CIA and Oliver North decided to blow Seal's cover and use the pictures as anti-Sandinista propaganda. The story appeared in the Moonie paper, the Washington Times, and President Reagan displayed the picture on national television in an attempt to get Congress to restore aid to the Contras. Several journalists later blew the story out of the water as a setup, and there has been no evidence before or since then that the Colombian cartels have transshipped narcotics through Nicaragua. There has been, however, much evidence that some Contras and their supporters were trafficking in drugs. Meanwhile, Seal had been busy training Contras at his new base of operations in Mena, Arkansas. At least seven pilots have told reporters of Seal's work with the Contras. The last one to go public, Terry Reed, said he was introduced to Seal by Oliver North. Reed said that North wanted him to turn over a light plane he owned to North's Enterprise and then report it as stolen and collect the insurance. Reed declined to do so, but the plane was later stolen, and Reed collected on his insurance. The plane turned up in Seal's Contra resupply operation and Reed was charged with fraud. After Reed began talking about Seal, North and the Contras, and subpoenaed North for his trial, the government, after going after Reed with everything it had, dropped the case against him - but not before requiring the local prosecutor to get a security clearance and requiring Reed not to comment on the case for 30 days afterwards. The federal government also went after Bill Duncan, an agent with the Internal Revenue Service Criminal Investigation Division, who was investigating the flow of drug money through Barry Seal's operations. When Duncan was called to testify before the House Subcommittee on Crime regarding federal interference in Arkansas and Louisiana police investigations of Seal, he was ordered by one of his IRS superiors to perjure himself if he were asked questions about Seal's relationship to then-Attorney General Ed Meese and whether Meese had ordered evidence withheld from a federal grand jury investigating activities at Mena, Arkansas. Duncan resigned over the matter, after 17 years with the IRS. He then went to work for the House Subcommittee on Crime in an investigation of Seal's operation, but eventually got stymied there as well. He was arrested when he took a gun inside a House office building, even though he was authorized to carry a weapon. The House subcommittee cut his travel funds, and once again he resigned in frustration. Another investigator probing into Seal's operations was Gene Wheaton, the former Pentagon criminal investigator who went to work for the Christic Institute after parting company with Oliver North and Richard Secord. Wheaton said he tracked Seal's C-123K cargo plane flying from Mena to William Blakemore's Iron Mountain Ranch in West Texas. (There is also an Iron Mountain in Arkansas near Seal's Contra training grounds.) Blakemore said he had no knowledge of this. Seal's C-123K, which he called the Fat Lady, would go down in history after its "Fat Man" was murdered. This was the C-123K that was shot down in October 1986 by the Sandinistas as it was making a resupply run to the Contras. The resulting crash blew the lid off the White House's secret support of the Contras, as the plane and its occupants were tracked to the CIA-connected Southern Air Transport in Miami and to Oliver North. --- For list service help, send a message to ciadrugs-request@mars.galstar.com with a subject of HELP. Date: Wed Jul 02, 1997 11:15 pm CST From: ciadrugs EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: ciadrugs@mars.galstar.com TO: ciadrugs EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: ciadrugs@mars.galstar.com BCC: * David Beiter / MCI ID: 635-1762 Subject: ciadrugs] Russell Welch Interview, March 1996 Copyright 1996 The Washington Weekly (http://www.federal.com). All Rights Reserved. Reproduced by special arrangement with Informatics Resource and the Washington Weekly. [Image] MENA: THE INVESTIGATION OF BARRY SEAL Former Arkansas State Police Investigator Russell Welch Interviewed by Marvin Lee, March 1996 LEE: When did you first hear about Mena airport or Rich Mountain Aviation? WELCH: I took over as the criminal investigator in Mena in 1981. My duties were to maintain intelligence on Mena airport concerning smugglers, basically. There was one smuggler here by the name of Simon Frazier who, like Barry Seal, was busted in Florida and rolled over [turned informant] to stay out of prison, and was later either killed in an airplane crash, or the crash was used as a front for a witness relocation. LEE: When did you first learn about Barry Seal and the CIA? WELCH: The first time that I heard of him was, probably, in late 1983, when the Sheriff of Polk County, where Mena is located, had started an investigation and one of his deputies, Jimmie Jacobs, told me that Sheriff Al Hadaway was conducting an investigation of an alleged smuggler that had moved in here. The deputy sheriff said that his first name was Barry and they didn't know his last name. He came from Louisiana. The investigation was serious enough that the sheriff wasn't saying too much about it. According to the deputy sheriff, Hadaway was giving his information directly to a federal task force that was investigating Barry Seal in New Orleans. Their investigation was called operation "coin roll." LEE: Was that the DEA? WELCH: It was a Vice Presidential [George Bush] task force. According to the deputy, Sheriff Hadaway felt that it was over the head of the state police, it was out of our league. That's the reason he skipped us and went directly to the task force - which was, in retrospect, probably a good idea. It was out of our league. Although I believe to this day that if he had come through me, Barry Seal might still be alive. He'd be working on a pea farm at the prison in Pine Bluff, Arkansas, but still be alive. LEE: What about the CIA? WELCH: When Sheriff Hadaway wanted to seize Seal's C-123, the people from Rich Mountain Aviation contacted him and set up a meeting at their attorney's house, in Mena, where they showed him a video that had been made by John Camp called "Uncle Sam Wants You." It was a piece of crap. The only report that linked Seal to the CIA, that I'm aware of, concerned the trip on the C-123 to Nicaragua. Somebody from one of the first subcommittees told me, on the telephone that they had confirmed a CIA interest in that flight. Under the conditions at that time, they should have had an interest in it if they were doing their jobs. For the most part, it looked like Barry Seal was just trying to keep his cocaine smuggling butt out of jail. My investigation should have been fairly simple once I got a handle on things. But, little problems kept jumping up. The longer I investigated the bigger they got. When leaders in my own department allowed one of the subjects of Bill Duncan's investigation, and an employee of Rich Mountain Aviation, to go into the basement of the capitol building in Little Rock and make notes from my investigative telephone records, those problems had grown into whoppers. Those records had the telephone numbers of witnesses and informants from, not just the Barry Seal investigation, but any other investigation that I might be working on. They put witnesses and informants, not to mention myself, in danger. I have no way of knowing how much damage that caused. I don't know what may have happened to certain people as a result of their action. When you finish a case people just go on and you assume that they're getting on with their lives, but you don't know. I understand that certain members of the state police are saying that they had a right to see those telephone records under the FOI Act. A year later FOIA requests for my files were still being turned down. How can they expose people to that kind of danger? Why would a person want to deal with the police over a telephone if they know that anybody could go look at the officer's telephone records. This same person tried to get into the telephone records at the sheriff's office in Mena. The sheriff and local circuit judge told him there was no way he was going to see those records. At least one person got a visit because telephone records were made available. LEE: John Camp, that is the guy now working for CNN, right? WELCH: The same. He actually did the video for Barry Seal and it was aired on Channel 2 in Baton Rouge. It was obvious that the video was choreographed by Barry Seal. To watch that video you'd have to say that John Camp was the only person in the world that didn't know that Barry Seal was a cocaine smuggler, because it was an hour-long tirade of Barry Seal being harassed by law enforcement officers when he was really working for the federal government as a paid informant. [When John Camp later joined CNN, he made a hit piece on Terry Reed and later he made a hit piece on Chuck Harder, a publishing partner of Reed.] I later found out that Seal already had two unrelated indictments in Florida. The only reason he did anything for the DEA was to stay out of prison. The Rich Mountain Aviation people showed that video to Sheriff Hadaway and tried to convince him that they had been working for the CIA all along. The sheriff didn't believe it and neither did anybody else. When I started the case I hoped that I would find that Barry Seal was and had always been involved in DEA or CIA activity and I'd close the case out and get out of it. I would get on with other things, things that were less heavy to carry around on my shoulders. That wasn't the case. I found a clear window of criminal activity where Barry Seal was definitely smuggling cocaine just for himself and his people. And there was no collusion or involvement with the DEA or CIA or any legitimate covert operation. LEE: Did the CIA know about that? WELCH: Barry testified in court, as did DEA agents, that they wanted him to continue acting like he had done before. Now that can be interpreted in different ways... LEE: When did your own investigation start? WELCH: In 1985. Emile Camp crashed between Mena and Nella. Emile Camp was one of Barry's pilots. Freddy Hampton [of Rich Mountain Aviation at Mena airport] asked me to come out to the airport and take a part in the investigation. He was, at that time, concerned because, in his own words, Emile Camp was an important witness in a trial that was going on in Florida at that time. There was some concern that Emile Camp's death wasn't an accident, that he had been sabotaged. He kept that attitude until about three days later when Barry Seal showed up and took control. Everybody's attitude changed. At first they told me that Camp was an extremely good pilot who had flown through these mountains numerous times, day and night. After Barry Seal arrived they said, "Well, Emile Camp wasn't a very good pilot anyway, he probably flew right into the side of the mountain." It was obvious that Barry Seal, among other things, had done damage control. We looked for Emile Camp's crash for three days before Barry Seal showed up but couldn't find it. The business manager from Rich Mountain Aviation, Rudy Furr, told me that he had contacted the governors office and Governor Clinton had promised to send some National Guard helicopters to help in the search. They never showed up, because of the weather, I think. Rudy Furr also said that the orbit of a satellite had been changed to help with the search. He said they were going to place the satellite over Mena to see if it could pick up an ELT. About 15 minutes after Barry Seal showed up, he found the crash, just before dark. It reeked of him knowing where the crash was before he got there. The first words that I heard Barry Seal say were on a radio from his helicopter, as he was explaining how he found the crash so fast. He said, "I know my plane and I know how Emile flies," or something like that. LEE: And then you tried to find out why it had crashed? WELCH: There was nothing to make a determination. Like most airplane crashes it was eventually ruled a pilot error, and there wasn't anything left to determine whether it had been tampered with or not. During my investigation I did some checking with a number of people who knew Emile Camp and they all said he was just as good a pilot as you could find. LEE: So, did you find any motive or did you have any suspicions? WELCH: Well, at that time I wasn't sure what was going on. Freddy Hampton told me about this trial in Florida and Seal's trip to Nicaragua, allegedly to do a cocaine deal with some Sandinistas. I asked him who would benefit most from Camp's death, and he said well, Seal could benefit from Camp's death because that would give him more bargaining power because there were only three people that went on a C-123 trip to Nicaragua. I still don't know what that meant. LEE: A year later Barry Seal died himself. WELCH: Just before Barry died, he made a tape recording of himself, DEA agent Jacobson and another person in Panama. It was a three way telephone conversation. The tape recording was with Barry in his car when he was killed. He was returning from his office in downtown Baton Rouge with a couple of boxes and other items. And on the tape recording, among other things, there was this conversation with these three people. And Barry was a desperate man, you can tell by his voice. He is trying to help find Pablo Escobar, and the agent - you can tell by his voice - that there's nothing he can do with Barry anymore, he's done his thing and the agent is trying to get rid of him on the telephone. Barry is desperate, he is trying to keep his position and status [as a valuable DEA informant]. His trials were finished and he was about to be put on the streets. I think every cop goes through this some time in their career. The bad guy says, "I'll snitch off my friends if you keep me out of prison." The cop says, "Okay, you go first." When it's over the cop tries to keep his end of the bargain and then send the bad guy back home. You don't want to take 'em to raise. Sometimes snitches want to move in with you. Barry had been indicted in two different federal jurisdictions in Florida on drug charges. He was about to go to prison for a long time. Barry Seal snitched of some of his people, made some pretty good cases, and in return, he didn't have to go to prison. The convictions still stood but he was not in jail. Unfortunately for Seal, he still had some music to face in Louisiana, and those folks didn't like him very much. Anyway, on this tape recording, he is trying to give directions to the person in Panama, they are talking about streets, and Barry keeps telling him, "Don't use my name on the telephone," because all the telephones in Panama are tapped. The DEA agent comes in and says "Yeah, don't use Barry's name on the telephone!" And you can hear this fatalistic laugh of Barry in the background, like "I'm dead." That was probably a month or two before Barry was killed [by drug cartel hit men]. [Excerpted and edited. Published in the March 25, 1996 issue of the Washington Weekly] --- For list service help, send a message to ciadrugs-request@mars.galstar.com with a subject of HELP. Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 7:26 pm CST From: ciadrugs EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: ciadrugs@mars.galstar.com TO: ciadrugs EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: ciadrugs@mars.galstar.com BCC: * David Beiter / MCI ID: 635-1762 Subject: ciadrugs] More Giroir, Huang, Lippo & Mena by Anthony Kimery In the late 1980s, federal and Arkansas state law enforcement officials became suspicious of a small and seemingly insignificant backwater Arkansas bank. A financial institution that had little comparison to the Citibanks of the world, but which was a profit-making cog in this state's most important banking empire. An empire owned by influential and powerful friends of the Governor, Bill Clinton, and his wife, Hillary. The little bank popped up while the investigators were poking around inside the $3 to $6 billion drug trafficking and money laundering operation of the late Barry Seal. It was one of three banks the investigators had stumbled across in which some of Seal's profits appeared to be being laundered. The bank was the First National Bank of Mena, and criminal investigators had produced compelling evidence, which SOURCES has reviewed, to indicate it was being used to launder money derived from Seal's narcotics trafficking operations at Mena's Intermountain Regional Airport, an airstrip that's been linked to Reagan era covert intelligence activities and which was being used for "black" operations as late as the early 1990s. But there was something else a little troubling about this particular bank, something that caused the investigators to tread cautiously. It not only was owned by long time Clinton financier (and one-time BCCI-front man), Jackson Stephens, but one of the principal stockholders in Stephens' banking consortium was the director of the board of The Rose Law Firm. The Rose Law Firm claimed as partners the likes of Governor Clinton's wife and other powerful state politicos. This was important. As the investigations probed deeper, claims were unearthed to the effect that some of Seal's profits had flowed into Arkansas government businesses owned or operated by prominent state figures, and claims were unearthed that Clinton's gubernatorial administration, as well as federal authorities, acquiesced in Iran-Contra-related narcotics trafficking at Mena. As late as last year, FBI agents working for Whitewater independent counsel Kenneth Starr reportedly investigated possible ties between Clinton gubernatorial campaign finances and drug money, and they interviewed several pilots about Colombian cocaine and cash drops in Mena and elsewhere in Arkansas. For these reasons, the House Banking Committee has taken a keen interest in Seal's alleged drug money laundering at the First National Bank of Mena while it was owned by the Worthen Banking Corp., then Arkansas's largest bank holding company in which Stephens had a dominating interest. Stephens acquired his interest in Worthen Banking Corp. in a partnership with powerful conservative Indonesian banker Mochtar Riady in February 1984 when they bought controlling interest in First Arkansas Bankstock Corp., (FABCO). Go to: Background on FABCO's owners. A billionaire, Riady is one of the wealthiest men in Indonesia with ties to his country's dictator, General Suharto. The Riady family controls the Lippo Group, an unconsolidated conglomerate of far-flung businesses, including Lippobank Ltd., Bank of Central Asia, and the Hongkong Chinese Bank, all financial powerhouses in Asia. At the same time Stephens was getting his hooks into FABCO, FABCO was acquiring four banks owned by C. Joseph Giroir, Jr., a former Justice Department and Securities and Exchange Commission attorney, and chairman of the board of The Rose Law Firm. At the Rose Law Firm, Giroir, there since 1968, was the boss of Gov. Clinton's wife as well as of since-convicted felon Web Hubbell. In March, 1984, shortly after Stephens' acquisition of FABCO and its purchase of Giroir's four banks, FABCO's board of directors formed an executive committee and appointed Giroir as its vice chairman. The Rose Law Firm, and Giroir in particular, had long handled the legal affairs for Stephens' businesses, and was well versed in the black arts of high and creative financing (he was the only trained securities lawyer in the state). It was Giroir who helped change state laws allowing the Stephens banking empire to balloon. Indeed, while head of The Rose Law Firm, Giroir led a band of lobbyists in a successful effort to persuade the state legislature to change Arkansas' usury law, which made owning an Arkansas commercial bank very attractive. He also played a pivitol role in talking state lawmakers into changing the law restricting the formation of new bank holding companies through acquisition. It was this change that allowed Stephens and Riady to make the deal for FABCO, and for Giroir to sell them the four banks he owned. Of course, it was Governor Clinton who signed the bills his wife's boss engineered, and her law firm profited from the legal fees that were generated for handling the FABCO-related transactions. Worthen also became a major repository for state tax receipts, which it promptly lost $52 million of when it bought government securities from a shady New Jersey brokerage business several of whose principals eventually went to jail for fraud. Worthen likely would have collapsed in the process had its major shareholders and the bank's insurance company not stepped in. Oct. 5, 1986 in Nicaragua a C-123 airplane previously owned by Seal (one which had often been parked at Mena's airport) was shot down trying to drop supplies to the contras. This downing of a supply plane set the stage for the unraveling of the Iran-contra scandal. Within a week, Worthen entered into an agreement to sell the First National Bank of Mena. By this time the bank had grown to $64 million in assets, from $56 million when Worthen acquired it in 1984. (When the bank was originally bought in 1979 by FABCO in a deal that was reputedly in violation of the Bank Holding Company Act, it only had $28.5 million in assets). On Nov. 22, a month and a half after Seal's old C-123 was shot down and a week after Worthen announced it would have to restate its third-quarter earnings following a review of its loan portfolio, Worthen President William L. Cravens suffered a heart attack. He resigned in mid-January, 1987, and Worthen was eventually sold to a large regional bank holding company. RELATED STORIES IN THIS ISSUE: Failed Banks and Farhad Azima Mena, Arkansas under the Magnifying Glass John Hendrix and More activities in Mena Robert Thompson and Azima and Others L. Ray Adams and Azima and Others [Image] SOURCES eJournalÖ copyright 1996, DSO, Inc., all rights reserved. DSO - "BEYOND INTELLIGENCE - TRUTH"Ö --- For list service help, send a message to ciadrugs-request@mars.galstar.com with a subject of HELP. Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 9:11 pm CST From: ciadrugs EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: ciadrugs@mars.galstar.com TO: ciadrugs EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: ciadrugs@mars.galstar.com BCC: * David Beiter / MCI ID: 635-1762 Subject: ciadrugs] Oral Deposition of William Duncan #1 Found at: http://www.anaserve.com/~wethepeople/ JOINT INVESTIGATION BY THE ARKANSAS STATE ATTORNEY GENERALÆS OFFICE AND THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS ********************************************************************** THE ORAL DEPOSITION OF WILLIAM C. DUNCAN ********************************************************************** APPEARANCES: Mr. WILLIAM ALEXANDER, M.C., United States Congress, 233 Cannon House Office Building, Washington, D.C. 20515 *** Apprearing as a Member of the United States Congress with Investigative Authority under the Constitution *** MR. WINSTON BRYANT, Attorney General, State of Arkansas, Office of the Attorney General, 200 Tower Building, 323 Center Street, Little Rock, Arkansas 72201 MR. CHAD FARRIS, Chief Deputy Attorney General, State of Arkansas, Office of the Attorney General, 200 Tower Building, 323 Center Street, Little Rock, Arkansas MR. LAWRENCE GRAVES, Esq., State of Arkansas, Office of the Attorney General, 200 Tower Building, 323 Center Street, Little Rock, Arkansas 72201 *** Apprearing for the State of Arkansas Office of the Attorney General *** ********************************************************************** BUSHMAN COURT REPORTING, INC. 201 East Sixth Street Little Rock, Arkansas 72202 (501) 372-5115 THE ORAL DEPOSITION OF WILLIAM C. DUNCAN, a witness produced at the request of the Attorney General's Office, taken in the above styled and numbered cause on the 21st day of June, 1991, before Jeff Bennett, C.C.R., Certificate ~19, of BUSHMAN COURT REPORTING, INC., Notary Public in and for White County, Arkansas at the Office of the Attorney General, 323 Center Street, Little Rock, Arkansas at 11:40 p.m. ************ WILLIAM C. DUNCAN the witness hereinbefore named, having been previously cautioned and sworn, or affirmed, to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth testified as follows: EXAMINATION BY MR. ALEXANDER: Q. Would you state your name, age, and address, please? A. William C. Duncan, age forty-four, 513 Pine Bluff Street, Malvern, Arkansas. Q. Mr. Duncan, briefly would you tell us your educational background, for the benefit of those who might read your testimony? A. I graduated from the University of Arkansas at Fayetteville, December 1983, BS/BA marketing. Q. And what was your first job that you received after having graduated from college? A. Special agent with the U.S. Treasury Department, Intelligence Division. Q. Did you receive any special training with the Treasury Department? A. Yes, I did. A variety of Criminal Investigation Division training and Internal Revenue Service training. Q. You were a criminal investigator for the U.S. Treasury Department? A. Yes, perpetually from December of '73 through June 16, 1989. Q. And as a criminal investigator for the Treasury Department, did you have occasion to investigate matters surrounding activities in Mena, Arkansas? A. Yes, I did. Q. And were you assigned to Arkansas for that purpose? A. I was already stationed in Arkansas at the Fayetteville, Arkansas post of duty when I became involved in those investigations Q. Would you describe the nature of your instructions and the manner in which you carried out those instructions as they relate to activities surrounding the Mena Airport matter? A. I was assigned to investigate allegations of money laundering in connection with the Barry Seal organization, which was based at the Mena, Arkansas airport. Q. And can you -- how long a duration were you involved in this investigation? A. I received the first information about Mena and illegal activities at the Mena Airport in April of 1983, in a meeting in the U.S. Attorney's Office, Fort Smith, Arkansas. Asa Hutchinson was the U.S. Attorney then. Also present at that meeting was Drug Enforcement Administration Agent Jim Stepp, S-T-E-P-P. Q. Did you discover what you believed to be money laundering? A. Yes, I did. Q. Who was the object of your investigation, and what institution? A. Rich Mountain Aviation, Incorporated based at the Mena Airport. Barry Seal was not actually a target. We had targeted the employees and cohorts of his which operated out of the Mena Airport, including Freddie Lee Hampton, Joe Evans, Rudy Dale Furr, and there was a banker that was also involved in allegations of the money laundering, his name was Gary Gardner, vice-president at Union Bank of Mena Q. Now, all these persons that you mentioned, were they residents in and around Mena, Arkansas? A. Yes, they were. Q. What did you do with the evidence of money laundering that you gathered from your investigation? A. Presented it to the United States Attorney's Office, Western Judicial District, Fort Smith, Arkansas. Q. And what were your recommendations to the U.S. Attorney? A. That those individuals and corporation -- the corporation be prosecuted for violations of the money laundering statutes, also there were some perjury recommendations and some conspiracy recommendations. Q. Did you present to the U. S. Attorney a list of prospective witnesses to be called? A. Yes, I did. Q. For a grand jury? A. Yes. Q. And do you have the names of those witnesses? A. There were a variety of witnesses. There were some 20 witnesses. He called three witnesses. The witnesses including -- included the law enforcement personnel who had participated in the investigations, Barry Seal, members of his organization, people who were involved in the money laundering, and various financial institution officers who had knowledge. Q. Mr. Duncan, the money laundering to which you refer, did that arise out of an alleged drug trafficking operation managed from the Mena, Arkansas airport? A. It did. Q. And it has been alleged that the Central Intelligence Agency had some role in that operation. Is that the same operation that you investigated? A. Yes. Q. And when you submitted the witnesses, the names of the prospective witnesses to the U. S. Attorney in Arkansas, are you referring to Mr. -- what was the name of the U. S. Attorney? A. Asa Hutchinson. Q. Asa Hutchinson. And what was his reaction to your recommendations? A. It had been my experience, from my history of working with Mr. Hutchinson, that all I had to do is ask for subpoenas for any witness and he would provide the subpoenas and subpoena them to a grand jury. His reaction in this case was to subpoena only three of the 20 to the grand jury. Q. Now, of the three witnesses, who were -- what was the nature of the evidence that would have been elicited from those witnesses? A. Direct evidence in the money laundering. Q. And did those witnesses testify for the grand jury? A. yes, they did. Q. Were you present at the time of the grand jury? A. No, I was not. Q. You were not? A. I was in the witness room, but I was not in the grand jury. Q. I see. What was the result of the testimony given by the three witnesses to the grand jury? A. As two of the witnesses exited, one was a secretary who had received instructions from Hampton, Evans, and I think on some occasions had discussed with Barry Seal, the methodology. She was furious when she exited the grand jury, was very upset, indicated to me that she had not been allowed to furnish her evidence to the grand jury. Q. Which witness was this? A. Kathy Corrigan Gann. Q. Kathy Corrigan Gann. Do you know her address? A. She is in Mena, Arkansas. Q. Mena, Arkansas. Now, she was a witness? A. She was the secretary for Rich Mountain Aviation, who participated in the money laundering operation upon the instructions of Hampton, Evans. Q. You talked to her about her evidence given to the grand jury? A. Yes. I had taken two sworn statements, recorded sworn statements prior to the grand jury, and those transcripts were furnished to the U. S. Attorney. Q. And what did she say about the evidence that she was allowed to give the grand jury as it might have been different from the evidence that you wanted her to give to the grand jury? A. She basically said that "she was allowed to give her name, address, position, and not much else. Q. Mr. Duncan, are you saying that the prospective witness was not permitted in your judgment to give evidence of the money laundering to the grand jury? A. That's what this witmess told me. Q. And there were two other witnesses, I believe you made reference to, did you talk with them? A.I talked to another one, his name was Jim Nugent, who was a Vice-president at Union Bank of Mena, who had conducted a search of their records and provided a significant amount of evidence relating to the money laundering transactions. He was also furious that he was not allowed to provide the evidence that he wanted to provide to the grand jury. Q. And was there a third witness? A. There was a third witness, I don't recall her name off-hand. She was an officer at one of the financial institutions in Mena, and she did not complain to me. Q. She did not complain? A. No. Q. What was the result of the grand jury inquiry into the money laundering investigation which you had conducted? A. There were never any money laundering indictments. Q. There was no indictment? A. No. Q. Did you have occasion to talk to any of the jurors that were impaneled on the grand jury that heard the evidence? A. At a later date, I came in contact with the deputy foreman of the grand jury, who had previously given testimony to an investigator for the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime, concerning her frustrations as the deputy foreman of the grand jury. Q. Do you remember her name? A. P. J. Pitts. Q. Do you know her address? A. She's in Mena. I don't have her current address. Q. And could you relate to us any other conversation you might have had with her concerning her appearance before the grand jury? A. Well, she was perpetually involved in the grand jury as it heard evidence concerning the Barry Seal matter, and she related to me the frustrations of herself and the entire grand jury because they were not allowed to hear of money laundering evidence. Q. Do you recall any statements that she made to you concerning that grand jury, her service on the grand jury? A. .She stated to me that they specifically asked to hear the money laundering evidence, specifically asked that I be subpoenaed, and they were not allowed to have me subpoenaed. Q. What was her reaction to the unavailability of you as a witness? A. She said the whole grand jury was frustrated. She indicated that Mr. Fitzhugh, who at that time was the U. S. Attorney, explained to them that I was in Washington at the time and unavailable as a witness, which was not the truth. Q. Mr. Duncan, are you saying that the grand jury that was impaneled to hear your investigation, hear evidence of the investigation that you had conducted for the U.S. Treasury as a special investigator, was compromised? A. The evidence was never presented to the grand jury. The evidence gathered during that investigation was never presented to the grand jury. Q. What was your reaction to the failure of the grand jury to receive the evidence? A. Well, I was frustrated for a long period of time because I expected to be called and expected to summarize the evidence over several years there that we gathered with respect to the money laundering to the grand jury. Q. There were no indictments? A. Never any indictments. Q. There were no prosecutions? A. None. Q. In effect, the evidence that you gathered has not been acted on by the U. S. Attorney's Office? A. Not to my knowledge. Q. Did you complain to your superior? A. Yes. Q. What was his name? A. Paul Whitmore, Chief of Criminal Investigation. I also complained to my group managers, Tim Lee, Charles Huckaby and Max Gray. Q. And what did they -- what was their response? A. They were very frustrated, also. Mr. Whitmore, in fact, made several trips to Fort Smith, Arkansas to complain to the U. S. Attorney's Office. Q. Did he relate to you the conversation he had had with the U. S. Attorney? A. On several occasions, and also related to me that the U.S. Attorney wrote him a letter telling him not to come to his office anymore complaining, that that was unprofessional behavior. Q. What was the conclusion of Mr. Whitmore concerning your investigation and the manner in which it was handled by the U. S. Attorney in Arkansas? A. That there was a coverup. Q. Are you saying -- do you agree with his-with Mr. Whitmore's conclusion? A. Absolutely. --- For list service help, send a message to ciadrugs-request@mars.galstar.com with a subject of HELP. Date: Thu Jul 10, 1997 9:09 pm CST From: ciadrugs EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: ciadrugs@mars.galstar.com TO: ciadrugs EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: ciadrugs@mars.galstar.com BCC: * David Beiter / MCI ID: 635-1762 Subject: ciadrugs] Oral Deposition of William Duncan #2 Found at: http://www.anaserve.com/~wethepeople/ (continued) Q. Are you stating now under oath that you believe that the investigation in and around the Mena Airport of money laundering was covered up by the U. S. Attorney in Arkansas? A. It was covered up, Q. Would you state that succinctly for the record in your own words, so that we might -- to have the benefit of how you would state your opinion and conclusions as a result of your activities as a special investigator -- as to this investigation? A. I was involved from April of 1933, really to this date, in gathering information, gathering evidence, until 1987-1988. I, on a perpetual basis, furnished all the evidence, all the information to the U. S. Attorney's Office. In January of 1986, a Special Assistant U.S. Attorney from Miami, I believe, who was a money laundering specialist, came to Fort Smith, met with then U. S. Attorney Fitzhugh and myself and drafted a series of indictments. I think there were 29 indictments, charging the aforementioned individuals and Barry Seal, as I recall, as an unindicted co-conspirator in the money laundering scheme. At that point in time I had every indication that the cases would go to the Grand Jury, that the evidence would be presented to a grand jury. We experienced a variety of frustrations, mid '85 on, not able to obtain subpoenas for witnesses we felt were necessary. I had some direct interference by Mr. Fitzhugh in the investigative process. Specifically he would call me and interrupt interviews, tell me not to interview people that he had previously told me were necessary to be interviewed. Q. Did you have any interferences or interruptions from anyone within the U. S. Treasury Department that would interfere with your investigation? A. They interfered with my testimony before the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime. Q. Would you tell us about that? A. In late December of 1987, I was contacted by Chief Counsel for the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime, Hayden Gregory, who told me that they were looking into the reason why no one was indicted in connection with the Mena investigations. The Internal Revenue service assigned to me disclosure litigation attorneys, which gave me instructions which would have caused me to withhold information from Congress during my testimony and to also perjure myself. Q. And how did you respond to the Treasury Department? A. Well, I exhibited to them that I was going to tell the truth in my testimony. And the perjury, subornation of perjury resulted in an -- resulted because of an allegation that I had received, that Attorney General Edwin Meese received a several hundred thousand dollar bribe from Barry Seal directly. And they told me to tell the Subcommitte on Crime that I had no information about that. Q. What is this about Meese? Where did you get that information? A. I received that from Russell Welch, the State Police investigator. Q. Mr. Welch will be deposed subsequently by -- in this -- during this line of questioning. Mr. Duncan, did your experience at the Mena -- in the Mena case interfere with your employment with the Department of Treasury? A. Yes, it did. Q. Could you tell us what happened, how it affected it? A. I received a subpoena, in July or August of 1983 from Deputy Prosecutor Chuck Black from Mt. Ida, who was going to present evidence that Mr. Fitzbugh and Mr. Hutchinson had not presented to the grand jury for the purposes of seeking indictments against the individuals at Mena. The Internal Revenue Service Regional Office told me just to have him send a subpoena, and that I would be allowed to testify or assist him in his investigation. About the same time, I believe, that you were making inquiries also attempting to interview me. The Internal Revenue Service told me I would have to go back and deal with the same disclosure litigation attorneys who attempted to get me to withhold information from Congress and perjure myself, and I refused to do that. At the time my responsibilities were -- as Special Operations Coordinator for the Southeast Region, my responsibilities included oversight for aviation activities for the Criminal Investigation Division also undercover and technical operations. They withdrew support for the operations and basically kept me in the regional office in Atlanta and did not allow me to fulfill my responsibilities. This ultimately resulted in my resignation in June of 1989. Q. Did you resign by forwarding any particular communication to the Treasury Department; did you write them a letter? A. Yes, I submitted a formal resignaton. Q. Do you have a copy of that letter? A. Yes, I do. Q. Do you have it with you? A. No, I do not. Q. Would you make that part of this record? A. I'd be glad to. Q. Okay. We would ask that Mr. Duncan's letter of resignation be submitted as a supplement to this record as Exhibit 1. (Deposition Exhibit 1 was identified. ) MR. ALEXANDER: Let's go off the record a minute. (Off-the-record. ) Q. (BY MR. ALEXANDER) Mr. Duncan, prior to your resignation from the Department of Treasury, do you recall any other conversations you may have had with your superiors concerning the investigation of Mena? A. With respect to what? Q. With respect to the manner in which the case was attempting to be covered up? A. We had continuing discussions because none of us, my managers nor myself, had ever experienced anything remotely akin to this type of interference. I had a very good working relationship with all the Assistant United States Attorneys and the U.S. Attorney's Office, Western Judicial District, never any problems. The office was open to me, and I visited with them everytime I was in Fort Smith. And we couldn't understand why there was this different attitude. I had found Asa Hutchinson to be a very aggressive U.S. Attorney in connection with my cases, then all of a sudden, with respect to Mena, it was just like the information was going in but nothing was happening over a long period of time. Mr. Hutchinson did not directly interfere as did Mr. Fitzhugh. But just like with the 20 witnesses and the complaint, I didn't know what to make of that. Alarms were going off. And as soon as Mr. Fitzhugh got involved, he was more aggressive in not allowing the subpoenas and in interfering in the investigative process. He was reluctant to have the State Police around, even though they were an integral part of the investigation. For instance, when the money laundering specialist was up from Miami, Mr. Fitzhugh left Mr. Welch in the hall all day until late in the afternoon and refused to allow him to come in. We were astonished that we couldn't get subpoenas. We were astonished that Barry Seal was never brought to the grand jury, because be was on the subpoena list for a long time. And there were just a lot of investigative developments that made no sense to us. One of the most revealing things, I suppose, was that we had discussed specifically with Asa Hutchinson the rumors about National Security involvement in the Mena operations. And Mr. Hutchinson told me personally that he had checked with a variety of law enforcement agencies and people In Miami, and that Barry Seal would be prosecuted for any crimes in Arkansas. So we were comfortable that there was not going to be National Security interference. Q. Did you discuss the Mena investigation with anyone in Washington? A. I discussed the Mena investigation with people in the national office. Q. And with whom did you discuss it? A. With Joe Pagani, who was the Deputy Assistant Commissioner for Criminal Investigation, with a variety of other of his staff. Now, this was at the point of interference by the disclosure litigation attorneys. Q. Anyone else in the, say, the Commissioner's Office that you discussed this with? A. Peter Filpi. Q. Peter Filpi? A. Who was Mary Ann Curtin's supervisor. Q. Now, did you discuss it with Mary Ann Curtin? A. She was the briefing attorney. She was the one that I was -- was supposed to be involved in preventing disclosure of tax . return information and grand jury information. Q. Can you think of anyone else that you talked with up in Washington? Did you receive any orders from any of the higher-ups in Washington concerning this investigation? A. None. Q. Did you ever talk to a Mary Ann Curtin? A. Yes, I did. Q. What was her job? A. She was the disclosure litigation attorney in Washington assigned to counsel me, provide legal advice with respect to my testimony before the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime. Q. What was her advice to you? A. Told me not to offer any opinions, even if specifically asked for my opinion by the Subcommitte on Crime. Told me not to volunteer any information. Basically did not want me saying anything that would reflect badly on the U.S. Attorney's Office in the Western Judicial District of Arkansas. Q. What was your conclusion from her instructions to you? A. It made no sence for me not to give full and complete testimony to the subcommittee on Crime. Q. Mr. Duncan, do you get the impression that she was ordering you to cover up the investigation? A. Absolutely. Q. If you were asked to state that in your own words, what would you say? A. I would say that we had conducted textbook investigations of all the individuals at Mena, there were a variety of legal issues involved, which I had always had them in loop on. We had proceeded very soundly. There was nothing for us to be ashamed of. The investigations were thorough, to the extent that we could conduct the investigation without subpoenas. And I would have thought that the Internal Revenue Service would have wanted a complete disclosure to Congress about the problems that we encountered, but quite the opposite was true. They obviously did not want any negative testimony coming from me concerning the U.S. Attorney's Office. At one point when we were arguing about the Meese allegation, she told me that she had discussed my frustrations with the personal assistant to the Commissioner of Internal Revenue, who was Larry Gibbs at the time, and the personal assistant's name was Bryan Sloan. And that Bryan Sloan told her, "Bill is just going to have to get the big picture." Q. Now, when you say "she" and "her" you're talking about Mary Ann Curtin? A. Yes. MR. ALEXANDER: Any questions? FURTHER EXAMINATION BY MR. BRYANT: Q. Bill, let me ask you a few questions. I want to take you back to your investigation at the Mena Airport. How many federal agencies were involved in that investigation at the time you first went there? A. I was aware that U.S. Customs Service was involved..I was aware that the FBI was involved, the Drug Enforcement Administration. Those were federal agencies. The Arkansas State Police was involved. The Polk County Sheriffs Office was involved and also the Louisiana State Police was involved in investigating a link between Louisiana and Arkansas. Q. In your opinion, were those agencies actively involved in the investigation of the Mena operation and specifically Barry Seal at that time? A. Actively involved since at least 1982. Q. And when did you first go to Mena? A.In May of 1983. Q. And after you were involved in the investigation, when did you make your presentation to the U.S. Attorney for the grand jury laundering allegation that you had prepared? A. The reports, the prosecutorial reports went to Mr. Fitzhugh in December of 1985. Q. At that particular time were all federal agencies still actively involved in investigating the Barry Seal matter or had they--had their interest cooled, or how would you describe it? A. It was a very strange thing, because we were dealing with allegations of narcotics smuggling, massive amounts of money laundering. And it was my perception that the Drug Enforcement Administration would have been very actively involved at that stage, especially along with the Arkansas State Police. But DEA was conspicuously absent during most of that time. The FBI appeared on the scene intermittently. Usually when Russell and I were going to conduct some credible interviews, Tom Ross, from the Hot Springs FBI Office, would suddenly appear on the scene. He would make some trips to Baton Rouge with us. U.S. Customs was conspicuously absent, also. It was primarily just Russell Welch and myself. Q. Regarding the allegations of drug running and weapons running and any other things that you might have heard, what information do you have to, number one, substantiate that there might have been drugs brought to the Mena Airport? A. We were receiving information from a variety of sources that Barry was doing some work for the United States Government, but that be was smuggling on the return trips for himself. We knew from his modus operandi in Louisiana that he many times dropped the rugs in remote areas and retrieved them with helicopters. He had helicopters in the hangers at Mena and a variety of aircraft, smuggling type aircraft on the ground in Mena. And we heard, you know, all the time that he was making on return trips -- Terry Capeheart, a Deputy at Polk County Sheriff's Department, had received information from an informant on the inside at Rich Mountain Aviation that drugs were actually brought into Rich Mountain Aviation, and on one occasion guarded with armed guards around the aircraft. He had also received information from this informant that Freddie Hampton had personally transported a shipment of drugs to Louisiana from Rich Mountain Aviation for Barry Seal. Q. What specific physical evidence did you observe at the Mena Airport that would indicate to you, that in your professional opinion, drugs were brought to Mena or that Mena was being used as a base for drug smuggling? A. primarily I was reviewing evidence gathered by the law enforcement agencies, surveillance logs, their representations to me. I was focusing on the money laundering and financial analysis end of it, and did not conduct a lot of physical surveillance myself. But we had a lot of intelligence reports and surveillance reports of various airplanes in there being refueled, leaving in the middle of the night, N numbers being changed, typical modus operandi of a smuggling. We also had testimony that his aircraft had been plumbed with longer range tanks and bladders, that illegal cargo doors had been installed in the aircraft. And there was a lot of evidence of that. And I was seeing on some of the cashier's checks, Barry Seal's name on cashier's checks. The secretary that was -- doing both secretaries, Lucia Gonzalez and Kathy Corrigan, stated that when Barry would come in in his airplanes, the next morning many times there would be stacks of cash to be taken to the bank and laundered. Q. In connection with your investigation into the laundering activities, what -- how much money was laundered in your opinion through the Mena bank? A. At the time we couldn't proceed any further because of the lack of subpoenas. I would have to review the records, which the Internal Revenue Service has now. But it seems like there was a quarter of a million dollars, $300,000, something like that that we had documented, that had been laundered through the Mena banks, just the Mena banks. Q. And when you say "laundered," what specifically do you mean; what happened? A. They were obtaining cashier's checks in amounts of $10,000 or less at a variety of financial institutions in Mena and some further north from Mena or sometimes different tellers in the same banks to avoid preparation of the Currency Transaction Report. Kathy Corrigan testified that her instructions from Freddie Hampton were, that they were to do this to avoid the Internal Revenue Service knowing about the money and to avoid payment of taxes on the money. Q. Now, are you saying the' someone from Rich Mountain Aviation would appear at a local bank with $10,000 or less in cash, and then give that to the bank in exchange for a cashier's check, was that the typical arrangement, or what was the typical arrangement? A. They would go with, say, $9,500, or they might go with $30,000, but they would break it up in increments of $10,000 or less. And on one occasion Freddie Hampton personally took a suitcase full of money, I think it was seventy some thousand dollars, into this bank officer, and the testimony of the tellers revealed that the bank officer went down the teller lines handing out the stacks of $10,000 bills and got the cashier's checks. Those cashier's checks, in that instance, went to Aero House of Houston for the building of Barry Seal's hanger. This, as I recall, was November of '82. Q. Do you have any doubt in your mind that Mena was used as a base for drug operation. headed by Barry Seal? A. Do I have any personal doubt? Q. Do you have any personal doubt in your mind that that is not the case -- that that was not the case? A. I very much believe that was the case. Q. You had an occasion to interview Mr. Seal yourself, did you not? A. That's correct. Q. Now, when was this? A. This was December of '85. Q. Was this prior to the laundering grand jury or after? A. After. Q. After. Was there any particular reason why Barry Seal was not called to testify at the grand jury? A. I never received an explanation from the U.S. Attorney's Office as to why he was not called. Because we were given assurances that he would be called to the grand jury. He was on the witness list, and I issued him a subpoena at the time I interviewed him for appearance at the grand jury. You've already stated you, as a law enforcement official did not testify? A. That's correct. Q. Did any law enforcement official testify before the grand jury, to your knowledge? A. It's my understanding that Larry Carver with DEA testified before the grand jury sometime maybe in '87 or '88. Russell Welch testified before the grand jury, and also Terry Capaheart testified before the grand jury. Q. And when was this? A. The last--one of the last two grand jury -- Q. But in. 1985, when the first grand jury was convened, no law enforcement official testified; is that correct? A. Not to my knowledge. Q. In your professional opinion as a law enforcement official with extensive experience, is that -- wouldn't it be highly unusual in extreme cases where law enforcement officials who investigated the case would not be called to testify? A. Every grand jury case that was ever presented where I conducted the investigation, I was the law enforcement officer who summarized the evidence before the grand jury. I find it highly unusual. Q. And isn't it highly unusual that Barry Seal was not called to testify in view that he was - - in view of the fact that he was the principal involved in the investigation? A, We found it highly unusual. Q. You had an opportunity to interview Mr. Seal. Did Mr. Seal make any admissions regarding drug operations that he headed? A. I would have to review a copy of that transcript. he basically admitted that he had been a smuggler, that he had smuggled drugs. he told -- he said that he told the people at Rich Mountain Aviation that they were guilty of money laundering and should be prepared to plead guilty to it. That he provided instructions to them that resulted in them getting involved in money laundering. "Not to put his business on the street," I think is the way he put it. And I think probably the copy of his testimony could be introduced into the record. I believe I have a copy of that. MR.. BRYANT: Could we make that Exhibit Numbers 2 or Exhibit B to Mr. Duncan's deposition. (Deposition Exhibit 2 was identified. ) Q. (BY MR. BRYANT) Bill, is there any other information that you are aware of that might assist whoever reads this deposition to understand the case that either Congressman Alexander or I have not asked? A. I interviewed two witnesses in Fort Smith, Arkansas, named one Horton Elzea, E-L-Z-E-A, and Carl Smith. Carl Smith is an architect in Fort Smith, Arkansas and Horton Elzea is a draftsman, I believe. Those individuals related to me a conversation they had with Assistant U.S. Attorney Steve Snyder, who was with the Fort Smith U.S. Attorney's Office. Those witnesses stated that Mr. Snyder told them that they received a call from Miami telling them to shut down the Mena investigations at a point in time when they were ready to indict and present information to a grand jury. Both of those witnesses have stated that they would be willing to submit to a polygraph exam concerning that conversation with Mr. Snyder. Q. And, in fact, Mr. Duncan, weren't those two witnesses interviewed on television? A. Yes., they were. Q. Okay. A. And they were also interviewed by the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime investigator Ralpheal Maiestri and myself, also, in my capacity as a House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime investigation. MR. BRYANT: Okay. MR. ALEXANDER: I've got a couple of questions. RE-EXAMINATION BY MR. ALEXANDER: Q. Mr. Duncan, we've talked about -- you have testified that a one Barry Seal, in your judgment, laundered money from -- that was derived from the sale of drugs -- A. Yes. Q. -- in several banks in and around Mena, Arkansas. He had to get those drugs -- "he," Barry Seal, , had to get those drugs from somewhere. Do you know the source of those drugs? A. The specific drugs in the Mena operation? Q. Well, Barry Seal got drugs that he sold for money. Are those the drugs that came to Mena from Central America? A. I don't have direct evidence of that. Q. Do you have any evidence as to where Barry Seal might have gotten the drugs that he sold for money that was laundered at Mena? A. I believe that he testified that he had a history of smuggling narcotics, marijuana and cocaine, from Central America. Q. Did Barry Seal have a connection with the so-called Mena operation, drug smuggling operation? A. The evidence that we have indicates that his entire base of operation moved from Baton Rouge to the Mena Airport in approximately 1982, late 1982. Q. Mr. Richard Brennecke testified earlier today that he was a former contract employee with the CIA, and that as a pilot he transported guns and munitions from Mena, Arkansas to Panama. And that on the same airplane returned with a cargo of drugs, mostly cocaine but some marijuana, that was brought back to Mena and delivered to one Hampton, Freddie Hampton, and to representatives of the Gotti New York crime syndicate operation, the Mafia from New York. Do you know whether or not any of those drugs that were described by Mr. Brenneke went to Mr. Seal as well and were sold in the United States in exchange for the money that he laundered at Mena? A. I have no personal knowledge of that. MR. ALEXANDER: Thank you very much. FURTHER RE-EXAMINATION BY MR. BRYANT: Q. Even though, while you do not have personal knowledge of that, Bill, would Mr. Brenneke's scenario, based on what you personally know happened at Mena, be consistent? A. What Mr. Brenneke has related concerning the Mena operation would be consistent with testimony from a variety of individuals and additional information that we received concerning the method of operation at Rich Mountain Aviation. For instance, Kathy Corrigan related that on numerous occasions they would be forced to stay inside their offices because airplanes would land and strange faces would be around, Central American or Mexican, Spanish origin folks would be around that they had not seen before. But on those occasions they were given instructions by Hampton and/or Joe Evans to stay in the office and make no contact with those individuals. Airplanes landing in the middle of the night, hanger doors opening, the airplanes going in, then leaving out before daylight, numerous, dozens and dozens of accounts like that. Great secrecy surrounding the entire operation at Rich Mountain Aviation. Q. So if everything that Mr. Brenneke stated regarding his relationship with the Mena operation were true, it would fit into the overall picture as you understand the situation at Mena, would it not? A. Yes, It would. With respect to the training at Nella, we had numerous reports of automatic weapons fire, of people in camouflage in the middle of night, low intensity landing lights around the Nella Airport, twin-engine airplane traffic in and about the Nella Airport. Reports as far as 30 something miles away of non-American type of troops in camos moving quietly through streams with automatic weapons, numerous reports like that from a variety of law enforcement sources. Also, reports that -- from the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission people that they found vast quantities of ammunition hulls secreted in shacks around the Nela Airport. On one occasion the Game and Fish officer was warned away from the Nella Airport by someone who purported to be an FBI agent and exhibited a badge, On and on and on. Q. Regarding the Nella Airport, have you been there personally? A. Yes, I have. Q. And so there is another airport not far from the Mena Airport? A. Yes, there is, approximately ten miles north. Q. And would there be any other reason for the Nella Airport other than clandestine activities, paramilitary training, use by planes to bring in drugs, illegal contraband and so forth? A. Not to my knowledge. There are no hangers out there. The type of reports that we had from individuals living around the airport would indicate that type of an operation. Some of those people said that there were frequent visits by people from Rich Mountain Aviation basically asking what they were seeing and hearing. There was a large expenditure of money in preparation of the strip by Freddie Lee Hampton. The type of expenditure that you wouldn't make just for an out-of-the-way little country airport. MR. BRYANT: Okay. FURTHER RE-EXAMINATION BY MR. ALEXANDER: Q. Mr. Duncan, you've made some statements in the nature of corroborating the evidence that has been presented here today by Mr. Richard Brenneke that is consistent with your understanding of the Mena operation that has been described and discussed here today. Do you recall the names of other persons with whom you have discussed the Mena drug operation, the smuggling operation, that might also add some evidence in the nature of corroborating what we have heard here today? A. A variety of law enforcement officials -- Q. Can you give us their names? A. Russell Welch, criminal investigator for the Arkansas State Police; Terry Capeheart, former Deputy Sheriff of Polk County; Al Hadoway, former Deputy Sheriff of Polk County; a variety of Arkansas Game and Fish Commission personnel. I can't recall their names off-hand. I can provide those names at a later date. Other Polk County law enforcement officials. Mr. -- let's see, the FBI agent involved primarily in the Mena investigation was Tom Ross from the Hot Springs Office of FBI. He conducted several interviews in and about the Nella Airport. Discussed the Mena operations with Larry Carver, Drug Enforcement Administration. Several Louisiana State police investigators, including Bob Thommason, Jack Crittenden. Discussed the operation with Brad Myers, Assistant U.S. Attorney in Baton Rouge. Al Winters, Strike Force Attorney at the time for the United States. Government. There are others, I just can't recall their names right now. Q. Mr. Duncan, would you attempt to provide us with the locations of some of these persons that you have mentioned? A. Yes, I will. Q. And together with any additional names that come to mind of persons with whom you have discussed the Mena drug smuggling operation, that would be very helpful? A. Yes, I will. MR. ALEXANDER: Thank you, very much. FURTHER RE-EXAMINATION BY WINSTON BRYANT: Q. Mr. Duncan, do you have copies of statements under oath of individuals who had some contact with the Mena situation, other than Barry Seal that we've already talked about and whose statement will be made an exhibit to this deposition? A. Yes, I do. Q. Do you recall which individuals you may have statements from? A.When I was functioning in the capacity of congressional investigator for the Subcommittee on Crime, I visited on numerous occasions with State Police Investigator Russell Welch. I obtained copies from the Arkansas State Police files of a number of statements including Kathy Gann, I believe Jim Nugent. I have copies of the Arkansas state police thesis concerning Mr. Welch's investigation, and a variety of other statements that I'll be glad to make available. Q. I would like those to be part of your testimony, and they may be sufficiently extensive enough that we would want to make just a supplement to your testimony and include them in a bound volume, might be the best way to do that. A. Okay. Q. But if you would, just make those available to the court reporter. Mr. Alexander: that's all I have. Mr. Bryant: that' all. (WHEREUPON, at 1:00 p.m., the taking of the above-entitled deposition was concluded.) --- For list service help, send a message to ciadrugs-request@mars.galstar.com with a subject of HELP.  [ This URL: http://www.pdxnorml.org/MENA2 ]