Date: Wed Aug 09, 1995 2:03 pm CST From: conspire EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: conspire@prairienet.org TO: * David Beiter / MCI ID: 635-1762 Subject: CONSPIRE digest 129 CONSPIRE Digest 129 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 5 Num. 75 by Brian Redman 2) Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 5 Num. 76 by Brian Redman ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Topic No. 1 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 00:10:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Brian Redman To: conspire-post@prairienet.org Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 5 Num. 75 Message-ID: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 5 Num. 75 ====================================== ("Quid coniuratio est?") ----------------------------------------------------------------- [CN Editor -- I cannot vouch for the accuracy of *all* of the following. It may or may not be true, I just don't know.] [The following is a transcript of a recorded phone message put out by a group in Chicago called "Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts [CCCC]." (312) 731-1100 and (312) 731-1505.] Hi! Sherman Skolnick, Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts, 9800 South Oglesby. He is believed to be the central figure in trying to keep the lid on the Clinton White House scandals and related dope- and gun- running {1}. Yet various committees of Congress are now afraid to call him as a witness. *Why*? As an IRS official he was fingered as part of the massive corruption mentioned in a little-known report by a committee headed by congressman Doug Barnard, 1989. The IRS official was *not* *punished*, but promoted! He was the acting inspector general of the Treasury Department: that includes the IRS, BATF, U.S. Secret Service and the U.S. Customs. As inspector general he covered up the billions of dollars of dope brought in, and around, the airport at Mena, Arkansas and elsewhere in the southern states. (An IRS agent in Arkansas, William Duncan, was put in the doghouse for checking on Mena.) The Democrats want Clinton to publicly accuse George Bush and Ollie North as the key figures in the dope smuggling into the southern states. Friends of Clinton want *him* to say the CIA told him, as governor, to look the other way and not interfere. The inspector general and his mob played a role in cleaning out the office of White House deputy counsel Vincent W. Foster, Jr., after his strange death. Foster's office, and the office near his, reportedly held documents showing Foster's role in a super- secret bank spying project, tracking illicit funds worldwide and covering up for Bill and Hillary Clinton and their gang of bankers, such as Jackson Stephens. Also, the offices had nuclear missile tracking codes -- the top secrets of the U.S. government! -- which were sold to foreign countries. Part of the corruption have been two major IRS offices, Chicago and Los Angeles: in federal court records in Chicago, case number 92 C 7048, is the undisputed confession of an IRS official, confessing that her IRS bosses steal multi-million dollar properties for their own personal use by corruptly plundering, bankruptcy, and other cases. The Treasury Department officials are criminally implicated in making illicit loot to disappear by turning it into pieces of cardboard called baseball cards! Or into millions of dollars of stolen food stamps, gold, and diamonds. (By the way, federal judges in major cities are bribed with valuable baseball cards and other memorabilia.) A Chicago-area member of the London gold pool plays a role in these crimes. He's also an FBI and CIA informant and suspected assassination arranger. A Chicago bankruptcy court official, Wallace Lieberman, set to testify before a Chicago federal grand jury, was murdered in December '91 a few blocks away from the home of the gold bug. (Also a few blocks away from the Mafia's First National Bank of Cicero, long-dominated by Bishop Paul Marcinkus, recent head of the gangster/CIA-linked Vatican Bank.) The Treasury Department's inspector general is believed to be the highest Mafia representative in the United States. Related crimes: #1) The 50 million dollar illegal transfer of RTC funds from Chicago to cover up the embezzlement of an Arkansas S&L, implicating Bill and Hillary Clinton. #2) A senior litigation attorney of the Small Business Administration, John E. Gierum of Park Ridge, a close crony of Hillary and her family, confessed to us the Clinton White House is trying to frame him for the transfer of funds. So, will Congress call the former Treasury inspector general, huh? In Chicago, see us on channel 21, 9 p.m. most Monday evenings. Play it again: "The Crooked Phone Company". (312) 731-1505. New message Friday; we change it several times a week. Donations appreciated. Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the Courts, 9800 South Oglesby, Chicago, [Illinois] 60617. For the latest on courts, banks, espionage agencies, political assassinations, and the news media. On 24 hours a day. ---------------------------<< Notes >>--------------------------- {1} The former inspector general is believed to be Robert Cesca. ----------------------------------------------------------------- I encourage distribution of "Conspiracy Nation." ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information on how to receive the new Conspiracy Nation Newsletter, send an e-mail message to bigxc@prairienet.org ----------------------------------------------------------------- If you would like "Conspiracy Nation" sent to your e-mail address, send a message in the form "subscribe conspire My Name" to listproc@prairienet.org -- To cancel, send a message in the form "unsubscribe conspire" to listproc@prairienet.org ----------------------------------------------------------------- Aperi os tuum muto, et causis omnium filiorum qui pertranseunt. Aperi os tuum, decerne quod justum est, et judica inopem et pauperem. -- Liber Proverbiorum XXXI: 8-9 Brian Francis Redman bigxc@prairienet.org "The Big C" -------------------------------------------------------------- Coming to you from Illinois -- "The Land of Skolnick" -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Topic No. 2 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 09:39:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Brian Redman To: conspire-post@prairienet.org Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 5 Num. 76 Message-ID: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 5 Num. 76 ====================================== ("Quid coniuratio est?") ----------------------------------------------------------------- JEAN LEWIS DARES TO SPEAK ========================= Senator Pryor (D-Arkansas), speaking on C-Span's Washington Journal on August 9, 1995, asks, in response to a caller inquiring about the late Vince Foster's stop-on-a-dime trips to Switzerland, that people not believe the "hate mongerers" out there. So, to ask questions, to have doubts about the official story on Foster's death, is perilously close to becoming "hate speech". And as anyone who has attended a major university lately knows, "hate speech" is *verboten*. Senator Pryor says that Foster's clandestine and mysterious trips to Switzerland "didn't happen". In this, he is contradicted by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard of the London Telegraph, James Norman, a senior editor at *Forbes* magazine, and others. So who are we to believe, a politician or some reporters? Tough call. Senator Pryor asks that people not believe the "conspiracy theories" about the strange death of Foster. "Oh, please," he says, "For the sake of Foster's poor family, let the man rest in peace." I have two problems with those noble defenders of the still bereaved Foster family who demand that anyone having questions should stop asking them. Number one, Vincent W. Foster, Jr. was a public figure. As such, he is not just the private property of the easily upset next-of-kin, but "belongs" to us all; we all have "standing" in the matter of his death and have a perfect right to keep asking questions -- even tough questions. Number two, I find it suspicious that the Foster family does *not* want these persistent questions looked into. Questions surrounding Foster's death have not arisen in a vacuum nor are they without merit. So why wouldn't the Foster family want them answered? Why wouldn't the Foster family want them answered? It might be, as Norman and others are claiming, that Vincent W. Foster, Jr. was a spy who sold out his country for a few million dollars. *That* would be a good explanation as to why the Foster family is "satisfied" with the official investigation and begs that we stop looking into the matter. But some of us still dare to speak. Jean Lewis has also dared to speak, although regarding different circumstances. Appearing before the House Banking Committee, Resolution Trust Corporation [RTC] investigator Lewis charged that government officials had thwarted her investigation into the failed Madison Guaranty Savings and Loan. "This committee should know that I believe there was a concerted effort to obstruct, hamper and manipulate the results of our investigation," she alleged. {1}. What is so daring about saying that? Lewis was close to the late Jon Parnell Walker, a Senior Investigation Specialist with RTC who had been trying to get the Madison case moved from Arkansas to Washington, DC. Soon thereafter, "Jon was looking over a possible new apartment in Lincoln Towers in Arlington, Virginia, when reportedly he suddenly decided to climb over the balcony railing and jump." {2}. So Lewis is daring in that, besides possibly harming her career, her testimony could lead her to "suicide". Oh but hey, the "American people" are tired of hearing about Whitewater. No, what they are tired of is the stupid O.J. Simpson trial. The American people are intensely interested in Whitewater, or they would be if they were honestly told the whole convoluted story. Instead, they are given the impression, by the newsfakers, that Whitewater "is just a minor dispute over a 69 thousand dollar real estate development." {3}. *L'affaire Whitewater* is bigger than that. It is, according to *New York Post* reporter John Crudelle, a "massive financial scandal, the likes of which has never been seen before." {4}. The American people are sick to death of the putrid O.J. Simpson trial. "They're also tired of the media not asking proper questions about the Clintons," adds Sherman H. Skolnick, the Chicago-based investigator. "The way I describe it is, those that believe in 'fairy tales' have a hard time, in the beginning, when they hear what people like me say. If they've been believing only in the mass media, then they grew up believing in 'fairy tales' and in myths. My job, if I'm able to do it at all, is to disabuse them of the 'fairy tales' they believe in." "If I only read the [Chicago] *Tribune* and the [Chicago] *Sun- Times*, if I only listened to the local TV, what could I possibly know? Not very much." Skolnick, a long-time prober into Whitewater and related matters, makes the following prediction: "I now believe that, by Labor Day, the whole thing will be really heated up." "Today [August 8, 1995], until today [the investigation] was nothing. But starting, I think today, there's gonna be real noise." ---------------------------<< Notes >>--------------------------- {1} Associated Press, August 8, 1995. {2} "Murder, Bank Fraud, Drugs, and Sex" by Nicholas A. Guarino. {3} "Whitewater, the Federal Reserve, and the C.I.A." by Sherman H. Skolnick. {4} John Crudelle, segmented into ABC's *Nightline* on August 8, 1995. ----------------------------------------------------------------- I encourage distribution of "Conspiracy Nation." ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information on how to receive the new Conspiracy Nation Newsletter, send an e-mail message to bigxc@prairienet.org ----------------------------------------------------------------- If you would like "Conspiracy Nation" sent to your e-mail address, send a message in the form "subscribe conspire My Name" to listproc@prairienet.org -- To cancel, send a message in the form "unsubscribe conspire" to listproc@prairienet.org ----------------------------------------------------------------- Aperi os tuum muto, et causis omnium filiorum qui pertranseunt. Aperi os tuum, decerne quod justum est, et judica inopem et pauperem. -- Liber Proverbiorum XXXI: 8-9 Brian Francis Redman bigxc@prairienet.org "The Big C" -------------------------------------------------------------- Coming to you from Illinois -- "The Land of Skolnick" -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of CONSPIRE Digest 129 ************************** Date: Mon Aug 14, 1995 9:18 am CST From: conspire EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: conspire@prairienet.org TO: * David Beiter / MCI ID: 635-1762 Subject: CONSPIRE digest 131 CONSPIRE Digest 131 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 5 Num. 78 by Brian Redman ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Topic No. 1 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 09:42:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Brian Redman To: conspire-post@prairienet.org Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 5 Num. 78 Message-ID: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 5 Num. 78 ====================================== ("Quid coniuratio est?") ----------------------------------------------------------------- SAY IT AIN'T SO =============== When I interviewed Sherman Skolnick on March 15, 1995 and he confirmed to me the following, I just sort of filed it away in the back of my mind for future reference: SHERMAN SKOLNICK: But what was the story about: of the four largest news agencies in the world -- O.K.? -- all four had a record that was an open record with the Bank of England for 30 days only: the bribery list of BCCI. They had bribed various public officials in various countries, *including*... They had *bought* 25 percent of both Houses of Congress. They wanted congressmen to allow them to proliferate their bank in various branches throughout the United States. And they needed various committees of Congress to "O.K." them. O.K.? So what they did is, through a group of six LaSalle street brokers, they bought 28 U.S. Senators and 108 U.S. Congressmen. *This* bribery list was in the hands of four news agencies; *one* had corroborated that the bribery list is correct. And when the editor of that news agency, with international scope, killed the story, a very brave reporter contacted me -- like in the Spiro Agnew thing years ago -- and says, "Hey, Skolnick. I heard you're a loudmouth there, and you don't mind going with the truth even if it bothers somebody." And so they gave me the list, together with all the corroboration, and I substantiated it further, from my own sources, and I wrote a story about it. And one of those that was involved is the wife of Senator Phil Gramm of Texas. His wife, at the time, was Wendy -- uh, she *is*, Wendy Gramm -- was the head of the commodity futures trading corporation that was involved in these corrupt commodity deals where 25 percent of both Houses of Congress got hundreds of thousands of dollars by way of bribery! She went along with it. There were six commodity brokers on LaSalle street that were a part of it. As I say, when Mr. Skolnick confirmed this to me on March 15th of this year, I just sort of put it in the back of my mind and forgot about it. Then, on July 14, 1995, Mr. James Norman, a senior editor at *Forbes* magazine appeared on Tom Valentine's *Radio Free America* (5.065 MHz, 9 pm cst, mon-fri) and said the following: JAMES NORMAN: This other matter is very troubling to me. It's another bombshell. Foster's was not the only Swiss bank of a high- level U.S. political figure that's been raided and deleted this way in the past year and a half. The Fifth Column has gone into and cleaned out probably a couple of hundred coded Swiss bank accounts belonging to high-level U.S. political figures -- the biggest names going -- in both parties. The take, we've been told -- is over $2 billion, going on $3 billion. I can't fully express how disturbing this information is to me. When Mr. Skolnick had first told me this, somehow it did not totally register. Having this charge confirmed by Mr. Norman hit me "right between the eyes". I felt as if, "What's the use of Conspiracy Nation, when these powerful figures are no longer 'owned' by the American people?" But I then saw that, no matter what, public opinion counts -- even if the opinion polls, the mass media, and high-level officials are all "bought and paid for". If the people are still thinking for themselves then all the loudspeakers in the world can't drown them out. The reference to "Say it ain't so," in the above title, relates to the Black Sox scandal of 1919, when baseball players on the Chicago Black Sox had been found to have accepted bribes in return for throwing some baseball games. The story is told that a young fan, upon hearing about this awful news, came up to one of the baseball players involved and asked, with tears in his eyes, "Say it ain't so." The man said nothing to the boy, but just turned away. What are we hearing from Congress regarding these horrible charges? *The* *silence* *is* *deafening*. Congress people periodically get their hackles all raised, and get all puffed up about, any time that what they call "their honor" has been impugned. You can see them on C-Span, for example during the recent House Banking Committee hearings, getting all huffy about that "their honor" has been impugned. So where are they now? "Their honor" has been impugned. So where are they? Why aren't they getting all puffed up about credible charges that they are traitors? *The* *silence* *is* *deafening*. Now, recently, a Mr. Orlin Grabbe, formerly of the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania and author of a textbook entitled *International Financial Markets* as well as several learned papers, has again corroborated, in an ongoing essay ("Allegations Regarding Vince Foster, the NSA, and Banking Transactions Spying") that high-level government figures have indeed been taking bribes: But life did not stay this simple. For example, the BCCI- Bush-Noriega-Mena connection to drug smuggling was matched by a similar Israeli connection to arms and drug dealing and money laundering. Anything went in the holy crusade to build the bomb and the associated missile delivery systems. Just as the pension funds controlled by Robert Maxwell were looted to pay for Mossad operations in Europe (Victor Ostrovsky, *The Other Side of Deception*, HarperCollins, 1994, p. 203), so were American S&Ls in effect looted (or burdened with debt) by the financial machinations of the "Committee of Thirty" to help generate the vast funds needed to maintain and expand Israel's defense industry. Some of these funds found their way into offshore accounts held by U.S. politicians and defense personnel as bribes, kickbacks, "campaign" contributions, and payment for stolen secrets. Where the hell has this country gone? Dr. Helen Caldicott asked that in her talk (available from Pacifica archives) on "The New World Order": But where the *hell* has this country gone? Of the people who were killed who were civilians in Iraq, 60 percent were children. With their legs blown off. And the men who flew the planes came back and said, "It was a wonderful mission!" And they didn't see the blood. And the whole country cheered and flew flags and tied yellow ribbons on everything they could find. Where the hell has this country gone? We are worse than our parents; they would never have stood for this massive bribery of government officials. Sure, we used to knock them and their "keeping up with the Joneses", but we're worse. We were the 1960s idealists who looked down on our parents' materialism, but we're ten times worse than they ever were. Why is this story being ignored? What is the price of examining it? Will our corporate masters discipline us, give us reprimands, or even fire us from our jobs if we dare to demand that these charges *must* be answered? Oh and then how could we keep up on our payments and then the others, the "Joneses", would disassociate from us as not being quite "up to snuff" and then -- major horror and terror -- we would be ALONE. What is the price of being open with this story? Will the smiling, unruffled corporate overseers quietly and sincerely and sympathetically sit us down and regret to tell us that we have been "downsized"? So is it best then to say nothing? We are worse than our parents. We used to look down on them for their materialism, but we are ten times worse. ----------------------------------------------------------------- I encourage distribution of "Conspiracy Nation." ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information on how to receive the new Conspiracy Nation Newsletter, send an e-mail message to bigxc@prairienet.org ----------------------------------------------------------------- If you would like "Conspiracy Nation" sent to your e-mail address, send a message in the form "subscribe conspire My Name" to listproc@prairienet.org -- To cancel, send a message in the form "unsubscribe conspire" to listproc@prairienet.org ----------------------------------------------------------------- Want to know more about Whitewater, Oklahoma City bombing, etc? (1) telnet prairienet.org (2) logon as "visitor" (3) go citcom ----------------------------------------------------------------- Aperi os tuum muto, et causis omnium filiorum qui pertranseunt. Aperi os tuum, decerne quod justum est, et judica inopem et pauperem. -- Liber Proverbiorum XXXI: 8-9 Brian Francis Redman bigxc@prairienet.org "The Big C" -------------------------------------------------------------- Coming to you from Illinois -- "The Land of Skolnick" -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of CONSPIRE Digest 131 ************************** Date: Sat Nov 18, 1995 3:58 am CST From: snet l EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: snet-l@world.std.com TO: * David Beiter / MCI ID: 635-1762 Subject: part 35: allegations re vince foster, the nsa, and bank spying -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Allegations Regarding Vince Foster, the NSA, and Banking Transactions Spying, Part XXXV by J. Orlin Grabbe If we wanted to construct a chronology (or time-scale) of Vince Foster's movements the afternoon he died, there are four known events around which to fill in the time gaps. #1: *The exit of Vince Foster's car from the White House parking lot*. Prior to Foster's exit, a Secret Service agent placed a concealed transponder on his car. This transponder was reportedly working when the car left the parking lot and jurisdictional responsibility passed from the Secret Service to the FBI. But the FBI subsequently lost track of Foster's car. This is in itself hard to comprehend. Was the transponder deactivated in some unknown manner? Or was there FBI complicity in "loss" of the signal? When the car was later recovered, the transponder was missing. Complicating the picture is the apparent destruction of evidence by someone in the White House. Firstly, the videotapes showing the attachment of the transponder (Secret Service dogs were used to sniff the car for bombs as a diversionary cover while this was done) are missing. The tapes could have been removed by anyone with access to the room where the videotapes are stored. Secondly, however, movement in and out of the storage room is itself videotaped. But the tape which recorded access to the storage room is *blank*. #2: *The entry into Vince Foster's apartment at [address temporarily withheld] by Foster and a woman with brownish-blonde hair*. That this apartment is Foster's is confirmed both by the landlord and by banking records of Foster's rental payments. The front entrance to Foster's apartment was being videotaped as part of an on-going national security investigation into espionage by members of the White House. The woman in the tape has been identified as an Israeli agent. #3: *The exit from Vince Foster's apartment by the woman with brownish-blonde hair, along with a three-man Mossad search team*. Entry into the apartment by the team is not recorded (suggesting a back entrance into the apartment), nor is Foster's subsequent exit. This suggests several possibilities. Foster may have been killed in the apartment, and the body subsequently removed, or Foster may have left the apartment by the back exit and been killed elsewhere. It is natural to speculate that the Mossad team killed Foster in the apartment. But it is not clear they did so. The individuals in the team have been identified, and their skills are believed to lie more in the rifling of apartments, rather than in assassination. It is also natural to speculate that the woman entering the apartment with Foster was the woman whose hair samples were later found in Foster's shorts. However, this does not appear to be the case. The blondish hairs in Foster's shorts instead match those of a member of the White House press office who was subsequently arrested and charged with driving while intoxicated (and whose quality blowjobs were known to some members of the White House). If we add to this evidence the conclusion of a New York forensic pathologist (who does work for the CIA) that Foster died at approximately the moment of ejaculation, it would thus appear there may be as many as three women who show up in the evidence pertaining to Foster's final day: 1) a woman working in the White House who engaged in oral sex with Foster, possibly earlier in the day; 2) an Israeli agent who was taped entering Foster's apartment with him; 3) a woman who was with Foster at the moment he died. The "three" women become two if we assume that the Israeli agent who entered Foster's apartment with him was also present at the time of his death, implying she set him up for the kill. But if so, then who took the body to Ft. Marcy Park? The "three" women also become two if the White House staffer was with Foster when he died. (She is not currently a suspect in his death.) #4: *The receipt of a 911 report of a body in Ft. Marcy Park by Dispatcher Marion White of the Fairfax County Public Safety Communications Center at 5:59.59 p.m.* It is probable that the people who dumped Foster's body at Ft. Marcy Park were also responsible for his death, and it is possible that they were somehow involved with the FBI's losing of Foster's movements despite the placement of a transponder on Foster's car. Nullifying the transponder signal might require special electronic skills, such as those possessed by the National Security Agency. Otherwise, complicity to "lose" the target by someone in the FBI is a possibility. A thorough search of Ft. Marcy Park by an FBI team using x- ray scanners to detect lead either in tree branches or in the ground surface failed to turn up a bullet. The obvious explanation is that Foster's body was transported there from another location. Why did Hillary Rodham Clinton call 202-628-7087 at 10:41 p.m., Little Rock Time, on July 20, 1993, the evening following Vince Foster's death? The number is a CIA number, one that by- passes control, and that is intended to be used only in an emergency. Who was Hillary talking to at CIA and why? Unlike Bill Clinton, who was recruited for the CIA by Cord Meyer while Bill was in London, Hillary was never a CIA employee. Why would she have the number in her possession, and--more importantly--who was she talking to? Why has CIA director John Deutsch personally intervened to promote a cover-up of the circumstances of Vince Foster's murder? Did he make a Faustian pact with Bill Clinton to provide protection from investigatory bodies in return for a free hand in enhancing the value of his defense industry investments? What is the meaning of "national security" when the national security apparatus is directed by a White House that has engaged in nuclear espionage on behalf of a foreign power? [to be continued] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMK3fFmX1Kn9BepeVAQGm6gP/W0c5ZFf7YZJko5uPjWp/J6bzMhmf2X87 /6rlvGNeNsEvuvAACDU3WTzdNGNKxMoMmZUEEV17dz8YfeDKDbHhYlcuNw4gRTyT aw8L8gsSaqkmkWXYhn1WIsTQZt+o/Sikk/R2Jw++6zVm+HMpbedavkybBq89nLgY 9BmQ0ZBDyU0= =hATK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Date: Wed Nov 22, 1995 10:43 pm CST From: jamianne EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: jamiv@verilink.com TO: * David Beiter / MCI ID: 635-1762 CC: jascii EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: jascii@highland.net CC: jamiv EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: jamiv@verilink.com Subject: VWF travelled to Batman, Turkish Kurdistan, 1n 1988, ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From owner-cs@oak.oakland.edu Tue Sep 26 19:36:24 1995 From: "David J. Sussman" To: CS Subject: Re: And Now...Back to the White House (was "McP. a (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cs@oak.oakland.edu Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 1575 X-Lines: 41 X-Status: -- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 19:25:49 GMT From: Michael Rivero Newgroups: alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater Subject: Re: And Now...Back to the White House (was "McP. a In article <43uc0i$r30@homer.alpha.net> "John Q. Public" writes: >waynemann@aol.com (Wayne Mann) wrote: > > >(directed to Steve Sibelius) > ] JQP Said: >Also, if you wouldn't mind, could you please try to confirm >that VWF travelled to Batman, Turkish Kurdistan, 1n 1988, >as alleged by Evans-Pritchard? Plus, I'd really like to >understand why VWF's WH Credit Union account was overdrawn >for a month, before he died, and what the alleged $286,000 >payment to his wife, four days before his death, was about. >Come to think of it, copies of telephone logs from 7/18-7/20/93, >particularly involving HRC, would ease my mind. > > > VWF's trip to Batman, Turkish Kurdistan, may relate to a refinery being operated there by Caribbean Continental, S.A. out of Zurich, apparently with some involvement from the C.I.A. CC's fortunes were greatly improved by the destruction of the Kuwait oil infrastructure by Saddam Hussein. =========== T H E A N I M A T I O N P L A N T A T I O N ============ | Michael F. Rivero - rivero@netcom.com - 16 years in the business | | ------------------------------------------------------------------- | | WEB PAGE OPEN AT file://ftp.netcom.com/pub/ri/rivero/plant.html | =========================================================================== ----- End Included Message ----- Date: Sun Nov 26, 1995 2:44 pm CST From: snet l EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: snet-l@world.std.com TO: * David Beiter / MCI ID: 635-1762 Subject: FBI coverup in V. Foster case -- Area : AEN NEWS -----------------------------------------( M-BOARD.SU1 )---- Msg# 22522 Date: 11-22-95 13:01 From: alt@iquest.net Read: No Replied: No To: All Mark: Subj: Update on Foster's murder ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Al Thompson" Originally to: news@aen.org Organization: American Justice Federation Original Date: Wed, 22 Nov 95 10:14:29 -0600 (From the Congressional Record) VINCE FOSTER INVESTIGATION (House of Representatives - November 20, 1995) [Page: H13636] The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a previous order of the House, the gentleman from Indiana [Mr. Burton] is recognized for 5 minutes. Mr. BURTON of Indiana. Mr. Speaker, over the past couple of years I and some of my colleagues and some staff people have been doing an investigation into the death of Vince Foster who was found at Fort Marcy Park a year ago July. It was in 1993, 2 years ago in July. And over the past couple of years we have researched, we have looked into the Fiske report. We have gone out to Fort Marcy Park. We have talked to numerous people who were witnesses or not witnesses to his death but were at Fort Marcy Park and we found some startling things. One of things that has really bothered a number of us in the past couple of months is that we found out, when we looked at the report that was filed by the FBI, that there is some severe inconsistencies. The man who found Vince Foster's body, who was called the confidential witness, was alleged to have said in the FBI report that when he found Vince Foster's body he looked directly into the face, specifically observing that the eyes of his body were partially open and slightly glazed and that traces of dry black blood were running from the side of the mouth and nose down the right side of his face. When I talked to the confidential witness, he swore under oath before a court reporter that there was no blood on the side of the man's face. You might say that might be just a mistake. But the report went on, he further advised that there were traces of blood stains on the shirt to include the upper right shoulder area, along with traces of what he considered to be vomit or spilled wine, possibly purplish in color. He says there was no blood on his shirt, that there was no blood on the side of his face and no blood on his shirt, and he told the FBI that. Yet the FBI put in a report that there was blood on the side of his face and on his shirt. Another part of the report says, he further maintained, this is the FBI saying this, he further maintained that he was fixated on the face of the body and did not pay specific attention to body extremities, including the hand. In this regard, he advised he could not remember the exact position of the thumb, stating that while he did not observe a gun, there could have been a gun in his hands. When this was read to the confidential witness, he went into orbit. He said there is absolutely no question whatsoever that I say the hands clearly, the thumbs were out, the palms were up and there was no gun in the hands. He said, I was right there. I looked right down in his face, no further than 18 inches from the body. So the FBI, according to him, misstated that. Now you would say if that was the only problem with the investigation by the FBI, that they may have just made some mistakes, even though there is some glaring ones here. Then we ran into another witness who was out at the park that same day and an hour earlier. That fellow, when he was there, his name was Patrick Knowlton. He said that when he went into the park he saw a car, a brown car with Arkansas plates, and it was a Honda and that it was an older model. Yet in the FBI report they say it is a light blue car with Virginia plates. He said, I never said that. I said it was a dark brown car with Arkansas plates and they put it down as a Virginia car with Virginia plates and it is light blue. He also saw some suspicious people in another car who were doing some things there and they may have been involved in the Foster case. And he said, in the report according to the FBI, he could not further identify this particular individual nor his attire and stated that he would be unable to recognize him in the future. He said that is an absolute lie, because I told the FBI agent specifically I not only could identify him, I could draw a picture of the guy because I would never forget his face. Yet the FBI says he could not identify the gentleman. Then we go back to the confidential witness. There is another part of the report that says, and the possibility does exist that there was a gun in or near his hands that he might have seen. The confidential witness said that is an absolute lie. Now, another lady drove up near the park and her car broke down, and it was a Mercedes. When she went into the park to try to find help, she sighted two cars and in her report to the FBI she states the cars were of different color than what she said. She has been contacted. The interesting thing about all of this is the two FBI agents that did the investigation, gentlemen named Larry Monroe and Bill Colombell. All three of these people say that the report that they gave to the Fiske Commission was wrong, that it was lies. If one of them was a lie or a mistake, you could understand it or if two of them. But three, these people interviewed three people and there are glaring misrepresentations in these reports. I have said to the chairman of the Committee on Government Reform and Oversight here in the House, the gentleman from Pennsylvania [Mr. Clinger], and to the gentleman from New Mexico [Mr. Schiff], who is also looking into this for the Speaker, that we ought to have those FBI agents come in and explain these inequities and inconsistencies, these inconsistencies in this report, because according to the witnesses who found the body, according to the witnesses who were there, according to the witnesses who saw the cars and the people involved, they say these are out and out lies in these reports. If the FBI lied to Mr. Fiske or if they were asked to lie to Mr. Fiske, that is a breach of faith. It is something that has misled the American people as to whether or not this may have been a suicide someplace else or maybe even a murder. These things need to be brought to the attention of the American people. We have, I believe, Mr. Starr, the special counsel or prosecutor, who has been looking into this. it has been brought to his attention. I hope he pursues this and finds out why these FBI agents did not write the report the way the people who found the body and the way the people who were at the park saw it. I think he should ask those FBI agents directly, why did you misrepresent these things in this report? In addition to that, I believe it is incumbent upon the Congress of the United States and our committee to call these FBI agents in and go ask them directly face to face why these things are inaccurate. --- Reply to: news@aen.org * Origin: AEN NEWS Internet Gateway (1:231/110.1) Date: Sun Dec 31, 1995 4:47 am CST From: snet l EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: snet-l@world.std.com TO: * David Beiter / MCI ID: 635-1762 Subject: part 36: allegations re vince foster, the nsa, and bank spying -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Allegations Regarding Vince Foster, the NSA, and Banking Transactions Spying, Part XXXVI by J. Orlin Grabbe It is sometimes said that journalists are whores. Of course the statement is false: just as *some* whores write best-selling books, so are *some* journalists paid propagandists. Which brings to mind the relationship between the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and Mike Wallace with respect to the Vince Foster story. As first reported in Part 17 of this series, four days before Vince Foster died, his sister-in-law Sheila Foster Anthony effected a $286,000 (and change) transfer from an account at Mellon Bank to Vince Foster's wife Lisa Foster. Sheila Anthony was at the time a top Justice Department official, an Assistant Attorney General, Office of Legislative Affairs, where her duties included liaison with Congress, clearance of bills before they were forwarded to the Office of Management and Budget, and help in selecting nominees for the positions of U.S. Attorney, U.S. Marshall, and Federal Judge. What was not reported in Part 17 was the identity of the account holder from which the transfer was made (information I wasn't able to obtain). Well, here it is: *the funds came from an account controlled by the DNC*. (The evidence of the $286,000+ transfer was given to Kenneth Starr shortly after being reported in Part 17.) This transfer occurred the same day, July 16, 1993, that Sheila Anthony called a psychiatrist, who later told the FBI that Anthony said Vince Foster was working on "Top Secret" issues at the White House and "that his depression was directly related to highly sensitive and confidential matters". Not coincidentally, Sheila Anthony's husband is Beryl Anthony-- former congressman from Arkansas, former President of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, a lawyer for Winston and Strawn, one whose recent clients have included the Hong Kong Trade Development Council, as well as Systematics, renamed Alltel Information Services (whose involvement in an NSA bank spying project was the starting point of this series). Does the DNC maintain a slush fund account for political bribery? One suspects the answer is "Yes," but hesitates to draw this conclusion based solely on the $286,000+ transfer to Lisa Foster, before knowing what Lisa Foster did with the money. The evidence with respect to Mike Wallace is less ambiguous. In a CBS 60-Minutes episode telecast on October 8, 1995, Mike Wallace claimed to lay to rest most of the doubting questions concerning Vince Foster's alleged "suicide". Much of the program was devoted to attacking Chris Ruddy, a reporter first for the New York Post, then for the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, who specialized in pointing out the discrepancies in the official story that Vince Foster killed himself in Ft. Marcy Park on a slope near one of the civil war cannons. In claiming to clear up most of the questions, Wallace forgot to mention that Ft. Marcy Park was then closed while an FBI team (using X-ray scanners) looked for the bullet that allegedly killed Foster. Wallace interviewed James Hamilton, whom he called the "Foster family lawyer", forgetting to mention that James Hamilton was also the Clinton-Gore Transition Counsel for Nomination and Confirmation 1992-3, and a long-time Democratic political fixer. It has since become known that Hamilton was the author of a memo urging that the Whitewater Investigation be stonewalled: ``If politically possible Janet Reno should stick to her guns in not appointing an independent counsel for Whitewater,'' Hamilton wrote President Clinton in a January 5, 1994, letter. Hamilton was recently appointed to the Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board. Now sources who over time have proven totally reliable have confirmed the following item that Mike Wallace also forgot to report: *Mike Wallace was paid $150,000 by the DNC to do the CBS 60-Minutes hatchet job on those questioning the official story of Foster's death*. Hey, Mike. Now that we know what you are, would you accept $15 to do a complete retraction? Have a nice New Year, Mike. That $150,000 should purchase a lot of champagne. Try not to get a headache. [to be continued] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMOaYRmX1Kn9BepeVAQFVgAP/fY9olDYr+NSmNe9xaIeDeNle61UD1uB1 9XGmS09QKXPr0W5A2AVlcsfSXHDMsCAaFap8PBj5szJ3QhxEGPpSkHX37tcvVluH NJRAPHvp+Q//XbiWqrUIW+wv/ZBskvWnzrowMCu1fk4Lu00IQMimYfRmOFzVaL4v 38MfuN2lfNM= =xhn3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Date: 14 JAN 1996 22:51:14 GMT From: Randy Benes Newgroups: alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater Subject: Weyrich on FOSTER Lets put Vince Foster to Rest-- An interesting piece by NET's Paul Weyrich Late 1995 There is hardly a subject which evokes more emotion on the part of our viewers than the death of Vince Foster. Here we are more than two years after that tragic event and many of the issues surrounding his death have yet to be settled. Many in our audience believe that Foster was murdered. Still others believe that Bill Clinton was somehow involved in the murder. I want to say at the outset that I have drawn no such conclusion. I don't know if Vince Foster killed himself or was killed by someone else. I don't know if he died at Ft. Marcy Park or died somewhere else. It is frankly irresponsible of anyone to draw absolute conclusions about what happened to Vince Foster. With all the unanswered questions about his death, what I don't understand is the willingness on the part of the media and politicians in both parties to simply accept the original ruling that his death was a suicide. Why the rush to judgment on both sides? Some who hate Bill Clinton want to believe the worst about him and so they are prepared to believe that Foster was done in because he knew something Clinton didn't want disclosed and they will believe that no matter what an unbiased look at the case concludes. Others want to defend Bill Clinton to the point that they will dismiss whatever evidence may be presented that there are strange happenings connected with his demise. All I want is someone in authority to look at all the unanswered questions in the case with a view toward getting it settled. Just last week, a group of forensic handwriting experts, including one of the world's leading experts at Oxford University, concluded that the suicide note which appeared in the Foster briefcase after witnesses had claimed that the briefcase had no such note when it was first viewed, was a forgery. This has enormous implications. If this is true, who forged the note? Why did they forge it? Why did the note appear a couple of days after the briefcase was originally examined and determined not to have such a note in it? Who put it there? There are so many issues in this case which don't add up. Yet almost no one in either the journalistic or political community wants to pursue the matter. I frankly find that hard to understand. One Republican Congressman, when I pressed him on the subject, told me "Look. The implications of the whole Foster mess are too much for us to deal with. Our whole system of government could be effected if the outcome were as bad as some of you suggest it might be. It is better to just leave well enough alone." A journalist I pressed on the subject told me "You don't understand. It is a no win proposition for us to investigate Foster. Our editors don't want it and the White House is playing hardball on this like nothing we've ever seen before." You don't have to tell that to Richard Mellon Scaife. Scaife is the publisher of the Pittsburgh Tribune Review and one of the few media people in this country who has doggedly articles in national publications including the Wall Street Journal which have distorted Scaife and his charitable organizations beyond recognition. I have known the man for more than 20 years. Seldom have I seen such vicious reporting. Moreover, Christopher Ruddy, the reporter Scaife hired from the New York Post, who has kept on the Foster case and has done about the only real investigative work in this country on the subject, was ridiculed in perhaps the worst hatchet job ever in the history of the CBS program 60 minutes. The question is why? If Vince Foster really did commit suicide at Ft. Marcy Park and no one else at the White House or involved with the Clintons had anything to do with it, then why go after Scaife and Ruddy? After all, most people in the country have never heard of either one of these gentlemen. In all famous cases, you always have some people who don't believe the official version of what happened. To this day there are people who insist that Bruno Hauptman was innocent of kidnapping the Lindburgh child. There are others who claim that the Rosenbergs were innocent of giving the Soviets our atomic secrets. So what? No one does hatchet jobs on these people. They are simply ignored. Yet media friendly to the Clintons insist on making Dick Scaife and Christopher Ruddy an issue. I will tell you, as someone who was an investigative reporter myself, that is what convinces me that there is something wrong here. The fact that establishment media would find it necessary to distort both Sciafe and Ruddy to such an extent suggests that there is a fear somewhere they might be on to something and perhaps this treatment will cause them to back off. I can find no other rational explanation for what has happened There have been reports for months now that Special prosecutor Ken Starr has written off the Foster case because he feels that were he connected with it in whatever way, it would ruin his chances of eventually getting to the Supreme Court. I don't know if those reports are true or not. But Starr may not have an easy out in this regard. Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich has asked New Mexico Congressman Steve Schiff, a former prosecutor, to take a look at the case. Schiff reportedly has insisted that Starr look into and provide explanations for some of the unanswered questions. Let's hope so. Frankly I have been uneasy for a long time about some in the media on the right in the talk show business claiming that they knew that Foster was murdered. I've told them that. By the same token, the indifference of journalists and Members of Congress has also troubled me as new unanswered questions have risen. I had hoped that the whole matter could be put to rest so we could get on with other important questions. But now that I have examined the totally irresponsible treatment of Scaife and Ruddy, I am absolutely convinced that there is something here that is being covered up. In my personal experience, those who have something to hide always go after the people who are pursuing the truth. I've been there. No matter how uncomfortable this is for Congress, and no matter what the implications for our system, the leadership has the responsibility to pursue this with all due vigor. Even if the association with the case will hurt Ken Starr, he also has such an obligation. As to the journalists, they ought to recognize the signs about what is being done to Ruddy. Surely there is one of them somewhere who will say "That could happen to me as well and I'm not going to let this happen to a colleague." Not until now have I been totally convinced that there is a cover up going on here of extraordinary proportions. I simply refuse to believe, especially in view of the new evidence on the suicide note, that there isn't at least someone of courage left in this city who is in a position to do something about the Foster case. I pray to God we will hear from that person. Date: Wed Jan 31, 1996 9:12 pm CST From: bigred EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: bigred@duracef.shout.net TO: * David Beiter / MCI ID: 635-1762 Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 7 Num. 10 The following is brought to you thanks, in part, to the kind assistance of CyberNews and the fine folks at Cornell University. Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 7 Num. 10 ====================================== ("Quid coniuratio est?") ----------------------------------------------------------------- FROM: DEBRA VON TRAPP TO: KENNETH STARR, ESQ. ======================= I received the following from Debra von Trapp and I am passing it along. Note particularly that I do not necessarily agree nor disagree with either all or portions of the following. If you are mentioned and you are hopping mad, give me a call at (217) 356- 4418 and I will endeavor to present your side of this. -- Brian Francis Redman Editor-in-Chief + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + January 31, 1996 Kenneth Starr, Esq. Independent Counsel By facsimile (202) 514-8802 RE: EOP/Obstruction of Justice Dear Mr. Starr: I am contacting your office in regard to work that I performed with certain federal intelligence employees, supervised by federal intelligence employee Robert Goetzman, beginning in 1991. Robert Goetzman approached me in a private press function in Atlanta in May of 1991. He introduced himself by saying, "I'm Robert Goetzman. I'm from the Executive Office of the President. [EOP]" I am one of the leading technical analysts and consultants in the computer industry. Prior to 1981, I was a judge's clerk for Orange County Superior Court. Robert Goetzman has been identified to me, in writing, by the State Department, as an FBI employee. However, other federal contacts have identified him as holding DOJ clearances for both the CIA and FBI. During some of our activity, he carried business cards reading MCA/Universal (Japanese-owned MCA, Inc.) with his name on them, as an employee. MCA, Inc. began calls and threats to me in July of 1994. It presently has one of its Directors in a rental house across the street from my home of eighteen years. I specifically wish to inform you of our activity, on behalf of the Embassy of Japan in Washington D.C., which began at the Lincoln Memorial during the pre-Inaugural activities. We delivered $25,000.00 worth of large screen televisions to the site, at Goetzman's direction, from Mitsubishi Electric and Toshiba. At that time Toshiba was prohibited by federal court order from trade with the U.S. Government. I have been advised by other Washington sources that Robert Goetzman reported to Ollie North at the NSA during the Toshiba prosecution and is listed as FBI personnel in that prosecution. The delivery was met by Robert Goetzman and his subordinate Peter Stanley. Goetzman placed transmitting surveillance devices behind screens of three of the sets and escorted them into the VIP tent for Mr. Clinton. The sets moved with Mr. Clinton to the Capitol Center and returned to the original site. At the conclusion of this activity, the sets were abandoned on the sidewalk of the Lincoln Memorial. The Inaugural Committee then trucked the sets to the Washington Naval Shipyard, where they were placed under military guard until the Committee, at its own expense, trucked them on United Van Lines to California and delivered them to my house. I have the documents and phone records from these activities. We then proceeded to fulfill all of the first Executive Office purchase orders through front companies operated by FBI and CIA personnel. Peter Stanley sold Hillary her first purchase order, a MacIntosh computer. Robert Goetzman and I shopped, publicly in meetings with computer industry executives, with Hiroshi Suzuki from the Embassy of Japan, for twenty motherboards for the Executive Office computers. I fulfilled, along with Goetzman, the first software purchase order from the Executive Office. Robert Goetzman and another subordinate, Jim Cofield, represented that all of the equipment was delivered with surveillance capability. We purchased and caused to be installed WordPerfect 5.2 to ensure that all document files that were surveilled could be easily run through database analysis by the Embassy personnel. At one point the Embassy had problems in converting English to Japanese on its printer, prior to transmitting to Tokyo. At Goetzman's request, I arranged for Ambassador Kuriyama's driver to pick up a box with my name on it, which contained an unreleased Kanji version of MicroSoft Windows. This program solved the printer problem. Paul Steele, a federal employee who had been with us at the White House during the Bush Administration, became Director of Purchasing for the District of Columbia when Mr. Clinton took office. Robert Goetzman, Paul Steele, Jim Cofield and I purchased, delivered and placed surveillance equipment in DOC [District of Columbia(?)] offices, including the Municipal Police Department. I was paid, by arrangement through Paul Steele, for this activity by their appropriation of the Xerox Copier repair budget. The budget totalled $10,000.00, an amount that would have triggered further scrutiny. They therefore paid me a District of Columbia check for $9,975.00. Robert Goetzman then removed 100 copies of WordPerfect 5.1 from the Executive Office Building and delivered them, along with a compromised master copy of WordPerfect 5.2., to the Democratic National Committee to complete the surveillance effort. I personally obtained and delivered, with Robert Goetzman and Jim Cofield, close to $500,000.00 worth of computer software to the Committee, in pricing arrangements that otherwise violated GSA rules for the vendors. In fact, the GSA stepped in to complain and then suddenly, inexplicably, backed off. When I went public in March of 1994, George Stephanopoulos and the DNC counsel then proceeded to engage in a coverup. Janet Reno first opened an investigation in July of 1994, then her office informed me by telephone that Paul Coffey, Chief of the Organized Crime and Racketeering Section, had ordered some 62 pages of my documents to be sent to his office and destroyed. I then had two conversations with Paul Coffey. He advised me that he had destroyed the records, that they were not copied or forwarded from the Secretariat's office to the FBI, and that he had instructed his staff to hang up on me if I called. He told me that this information "would never see the light of day" and that I should go back to Robert Goetzman and try to get in his good graces. The DNC then sent me two checks, in an apparent effort to silence me. In total, the DNC paid me over $50,000.00. Without his knowledge, I recorded a telephone conversation with Jim Cofield, represented to me as being a DIA employee reporting to Goetzman, in which he stated that I would be killed if I talked about the Embassy of Japan. When I advised both Cofield and Goetzman that I had audiotaped them, Mr. Panetta's office (and presumably Mr. and Mrs. Clinton, since I had been given a fax number into Mr. Clinton's office to communicate with him) arranged for the SBA [Small Business Administration(?)] to give me $151,000.00 after I had been turned down twice on my application for a $16,000.00 loan. Then another Goetzman associate, John McCracken (a former Navy Seal), brought me in on his team to open another front company. He paid me close to $50,000.00 and demanded the audiotapes. I didn't deliver them in Las Vegas on November 11, 1995 and then left under his direct threat that they are going to kill both myself and my son. I never knew the official description of this team. However, an article authored by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard of the London Daily Telegraph and appearing Saturday, January 27, 1996 [CN -- accompanying article by AEP is dated Jan. *29*, 1996], closely describes our team. A copy follows this letter. It is my belief that a member of this team, or someone cooperating with them, would not only have had access, but motive, to remove and then replace documents on the third floor of the White House. Robert Goetzman called me on the night Vince Foster was killed. He said: "We did him." "We did him somewhere else but we dumped him in a queer park to send a message to Clinton and his queer wife." "He (Foster) went entreprenurial on us." "He was selling NSA codes to the Israelis." I am specifically requesting that you review not only the names of the people that I worked with from the EOP, but others that they have had contact with at the White House since 1991, to determine whether or not their name appears on the admittance log to the third floor. I am specifically requesting that you cause to be investigated the Clinton Administration coverup of their knowledge of the surveillance and the theft and transfer of federal property (100 copies of WordPerfect 5.1) from the Executive Office building to K.C. Schoor-Hollings, MIS Director of the Democratic National Committee. Ms. Hollings left the DNC as soon as I went public. I am specifically requesting federal government protection and that I not be subject to contact by any member of the FBI from California. Special Agent Janelle Salveson has directly threatened me, on behalf of Robert Goetzman, if I continue to talk. I have interviewed on approximately 15 radio shows and two television broadcasts. I have distributed the audiotapes and copies of all of my documents publicly. I have reported these facts not only to the Justice Department, but separately, both orally and in writing, to the Washington FBI office and the Secret Service. Remarkably, all of that activity has only resulted in further threats to my life and more payoffs. Robert Goetzman has conducted a continued effort to frame me as an unstable person because I have discussed this activity. I invite you to review the videotape of Mr. Nixon's funeral. I was placed, by the U.S. Government (and presumably in a stable state of mind), *unsearched*, on the tarmack at the landing of Mr. Nixon's body and again, stationed at the front door of the Nixon Library, *with* *each* *of* *the* *Presidents*, *past* *and* *present*, *unsearched*, standing next to a Secret Service agent. Mr. Starr, I am contacting you in the hope that one person (yourself) in the federal government is not personally compromised in his capacity and is unwilling to obstruct justice. I was called by Victor Huston, FBI, of your office today. He seemed quite nonchalant about my accusations and evidence and especially distant after I implicated the FBI. He, in fact, only suggested that I "write" you by mail, then attempted to leave the conversation without giving me an address. When I told him that I had your fax number, he discouraged me from faxing you. He stated that he didn't want me "to tie up the fax machine." Please put me, my documents and audiotapes in front of the Washington Grand Jury. I believe the activity of Mrs. Clinton, Vince Foster, the "Goetzman Team", the Secret Service and the coverup of the discovered surveillance of the administration and the DNC has direct bearing on your investigation of the disappearance, reappearance and non-delivery of subpoenaed documents. Sincerely, Debra von Trapp cc: A. 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(1) telnet prairienet.org (2) logon as "visitor" (3) go citcom ----------------------------------------------------------------- See also: http://www.europa.com/~johnlf/cn.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- See also: ftp.shout.net pub/users/bigred ----------------------------------------------------------------- Aperi os tuum muto, et causis omnium filiorum qui pertranseunt. Aperi os tuum, decerne quod justum est, et judica inopem et pauperem. -- Liber Proverbiorum XXXI: 8-9 Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 17:58:14 -0800 From: Wayne Mann Subject: Letter to LA Times To: libernet@dartmouth.edu 02/29/96 Letter to the Editors LA Times Sir: I have been hearing a lot about how the public doesn't care anything about Whitewater and how the Senate committee should just forget it. The problem is that the News Media has not done there job properly or this would not be the case. First the part of Whitewater that needs the most investigation is the one part that has gotten the least. That is Vince Foster's death. The official position is that he committed suicide at Ft. Marcy park. He MAY have committed suicide but I cannot believe he committed suicide AT Ft. Marcy Park. There are many reasons for this, but I challenge anyone who believes the official story to answer a few questions and discrepancies about his death that I believe you will agree has to be answered before excepting the official story. I will give you a list of eight questions that the information all comes from the official; record as printed in The Senate Report in Volumes one and two. There are many more questions than these but this will give you a sampling that just as a starter will make anyone realize that he did not die as officially reported. And since these facts ALL come from the one source it is fairly easy if someone wants to verify any of them. Keep in mind that everything here are FACTS out of the official Senate report and are NOT opinions. 1. The FBI fingerprint expert that testified before the Senate Whitewater Committee said that he received 28 pieces of the "suicide note" and he returned 28 pieces. The White House and the media always claim that there are only 27 pieces, with one missing. Who is telling the truth? Not a single Senator followed up on this statement, and I am not aware of a single report in the media about it. 2. Dr. Beyer testified to the committee that HE did not take any X- rays, because his X-ray machine was broken, although he had written on the autopsy form that he had, and the two policemen who were in attendance at the autopsy said that he told them that he had. However, in Dr. Beyer's Deposition to the Committee, he stated that he sent the body out to another facility for the X-rays. He further said that the X-rays were not processed and back to him by the time he did the autopsy. And furthermore, the X-ray machine service company was never called, and never did any repairs on the new X-ray machine for many months before or after the date of the autopsy. Which testimony is the truth and which is a lie? 3. Deborah Gorham, Foster's secretary, testified that she placed two large manila envelopes in the safe--both addressed "For Eyes Only"--one to White House Associate Counsel William Kennedy, the other to Attorney General Janet Reno. She also testified that Nussbaum asked for the combination to this safe immediately after Foster's death. Deborah Gorham told investigators for Kenneth Starr that on the day before he died, Foster received a document related to Systematics. And this was a document that disappeared from his office after his death. What happened to the three envelopes? What was in them? Why did Foster leave them? Kennedy testified he did NOT receive his envelope and does NOT know what happened to it. 4. On pages 1782, 1783, and 1784 of the Senate report, there is a report of a father-son towing company towing a car to the FBI garage from Ft. Marcy Park the same evening that Foster died. It had the driver's side-window broken out and blood all over the dash. What is the bottom line on this? The FBI did NOT go talk to these people as was reported to the committee. An agent called the father on the phone, which was several months later, and he denied it. Why didn't the FBI at least go talk to both of these people in person, rather than just talking to the father on the phone? 5. On page 4022 and 4023 of Volume XIV, there is a report by a Secret Service agent to his boss about being questioned about Foster's death. His boss told him to call B.C. about it. He did call B.C. and was instructed to tell the FBI that he wouldn't talk to them unless they went through Public Affairs at FBI Headquarters. (Who is B.C. Dies it mean Bureau Chief?) This Secret Service Agent is in the Division that does the Locks, Alarms, and VIDEO at the White House. Does this have to do with the "missing tapes" of Foster leaving the White House and the Missing tape of the storage for the first tape? Does it have anything to do with Nussbaum gaining access to Foster's safe (the night he died) to retrieve the envelopes that were in there to be hand-delivered in case of his death? 6. How did he shoot himself, throw his glasses 19 feet through some heavy brush, and end up lying supine and perfectly straight, legs together, with arms straight down at his side, the gun still in his hand, and trickles of blood running from his mouth in several directions, including uphill? How did a particle of exploded gunpowder get on his glasses that did NOT come from the bullet that he supposedly killed himself with? That indicates that another bullet had been fired besides the one that supposedly killed him. But wait, he only fired one bullet! Where did the exploded gun powder from a second bullet come from then? 7. Marsha Scott met with her friend of 20 years, Foster, in an unusual one to two hour closed door meeting the day before he died. Yet she says that she cannot remember what they talked about. After Foster died, the only thing Ms. Scott could remember discussing from her long meeting was that Foster had a good weekend. The rest of these questions have a few of the facts or sources from other sources than the Senate report but I believe them to all be reliable and I can supply sources on request. 8. Three of the top experts in "questionable" documents claim that the "suicide note" is a forgery. The credentials of these people make it hard to not believe them; therefore the "suicide note" is most likely a forgery. Who forged it? Who knew it was a forgery? 9. The photograph of Foster's hand was obtained by Reuters News Agency and broadcast by ABC Television shortly after Vincent Foster was found dead in Fort Marcy Park. This photograph purports to show the right hand of Vincent Foster holding the handgun with which he supposedly shot himself in the mouth. Aside from the obvious lack of blood in the scene, please note the color of the handgun, which is dark. This color matches the description of the gun as reported in the previous Senate Whitewater hearings. When interviewing Lisa Foster, the FBI showed her a silver-colored gun, which she said she recognized. The silver gun was NOT the gun found with Foster, which was a dark gun. The fact that the FBI showed the wrong colored gun to Lisa Foster, while telling her it was the gun found with Foster's body, is the strangest single piece of evidence of a cover-up. One doesn't need to cover-up a suicide. One covers-up a murder. Or one covers up a suicide that was committed in the wrong place at the wrong time, not giving, say, Whitehouse staff time to purge or conceal files. 10. I submitted a copy of the picture leaked to the press by the White House, that supposedly shows the gun in Vince Foster's hand, to an expert to have it computer enhanced, enlarged and/or turned into a composite 3-D picture. After studying the pictures very carefully, it is my opinion beyond a shadow of doubt that this picture is a FORGERY. The thumb going through the gun is too long and at a weird angle. We now have forged pictures and a forged "suicide note." 11. Foster made one day trips to Switzerland that his wife was never aware of. He had purchased another ticket to go to Switzerland and had canceled it, and had then bought another ticket to somewhere. Where was this ticket scheduled to take him and for what purpose? No one has reported an investigation into Vince Foster's 1988 trip to Bataan, Turkish Kurdistan, to which there are no scheduled airline flights. Now after reading this I would find it impossible to imagine anyone still believing the official positions. I would be glad to supply much more proof and facts to anyone that wishes to receive it and has access to the Internet e-mail. Just e-mail me at wdmann@ix.netcom.com and tell me what kind and how much information you want. By that I mean I can give you a small amount and then as you need more I can supply that or I can give it to you all at once however you prefer. It would be in a ZIP file We must get this investigated, we cannot allow it to be forgotten. The problem is just so much information and no one seeming to care. Thank you. \\/ayne //\ann "The President has kept all of the promises he intended to keep." - George Stephanopolous on "Larry King Live" - 2/16/96 ------------------------------ From: snet@world.std.com Reply-To: SNETNEWS@XBN.SHORE.NET Subject: (fwd) Re: About Debra Von Trapp Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 11:25:10 -0500 Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Xref: world alt.conspiracy:177862 alt.current-events.clinton. whitewater:42405 alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:388069 alt.journalism:46890 alt.politics.corruption.mena:189 alt.politics.usa.republican:230271 alt.radio.talk:10622 Newsgroups: alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater, alt.conspiracy,alt.journalism,alt.radio.talk, alt.politics.corruption.mena,alt.politics.usa.republican, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Path: world!uunet!in2.uu.net!news-feed.iguide.com! imci2!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com! howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!feustel From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) Subject: Re: About Debra Von Trapp Message-ID: Organization: DAFCO X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 13:38:32 GMT Lines: 37 Sender: feustel@netcom18.netcom.com Debra Von Trapp is the source of the allegation that Robert Goetzman has confessed to taking part in the murder of Vince Foster. I believe that Debra has Goetzman's confession on (multiple, secreted copies) tape. Goetzman's protestations to the contrary, Von Trapp has solid information tying Goetzman to the FBI, The CIA and NSA. Goetzman has been a very busy operative for a number of years. Now the consequences of some of the operations he has been involved with are coming back to haunt him Big Time. I personally would not be surprised if Goetzman winds up dead in Fort Marcy Park after writing a suicide note and tearing it into 27 pieces. Sherman Skolnick and I believe that Debra Von Trapp's information is solid. I believe that information (including information supplied by Sherman Skolnick, Orlin Grabbe & Hugh Sprunt) to be more threatening to the Bush/Clinton Administrations than anything else ever to come down the pike. A year ago last February Bill Leavel said on the Stan Major show that the details of the Foster Case, if exposed, would create the biggest crisis in confidence in the Federal Government since the Civil War. I believe Bill knew what he was talking about. Just how threatening Debra Von Trapp's information is can be judged by the escalating attempts to discredit her by portraying her as a 'wacko' as opposed to attempting to disprove her allegations (can you say 'Ad Hominem attack?). I have seen so much of this lately that I now take such attacks to be a sure indicator of the poster's connection to the parties that killed (or arranged to have had killed) Vince Foster. I guarantee you, the more accurate and truthful info about DVT made public, the more credible her allegations will become. Watch for her book. -- feustel@netcom.com Dave Feustel N9MYI For PGP Public Key, finger feustel@netcom.com Fort Wayne, IN Or else access http://www.mixi.net/~feustel/ 219-483-1857 From: snet@world.std.com Reply-To: SNETNEWS@XBN.SHORE.NET Subject: (fwd) Re: "BLOOD SPORT" Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 14:07:24 -0500 Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Xref: world alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater: 41807 alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:386877 alt.impeach.clinton:54709 alt.politics.usa.republican:228584 alt.rush-limbaugh:49872 Path: world!uunet!in2.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com! newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu! centipede.rs.itd.umich.edu!thartch From: "Timothy E. Hartch" Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.impeach.clinton,alt.politics.usa.republican Subject: Re: "BLOOD SPORT" Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 18:27:16 -0500 Organization: University of Michigan Lines: 65 Message-ID: References: <4ijsbs$k1h@cornerstone.intergate.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: centipede.rs.itd.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII NNTP-Posting-User: 29865 X-Sender: thartch@centipede.rs.itd.umich.edu In-Reply-To: <4ijsbs$k1h@cornerstone.intergate.net> I recently finsihed Blood Sport: The President and His Adversaries by James B. Stewart. The book is disappointing. Despite all the hype, Stewart fails to really look into the mysterious death of Vincent Foster. Stewart apparently relied largely on interviews with Susan Thomases (Hillary's NY lawyer friend), Bernie Nussbaum (former WH Counsel), Maggie Williams (HRC's Chief of Staff), and the discredited Fiske report. Stewart accepts the suicide in the park theory and tries to show that Foster was upset by the Travelgate affair, Whitewater, and his deteriorating marriage. It is amazing that Stewart chose not to address all the discrepancies in the official story that Hugh Sprunt pointed out in his CIR. The CIR remains by far the most definitive guide to the Foster death. Despite its shortcomings, Bloodsport does contain a few interesting parts. The Prologue, for example, describes how Park Policeman John Rolla was called to Fort Marcy Park and was shown Foster's corpse. Stewart states the following: (1) it was Rolla's first time ever investigating a homicide, (2) Rolla saw a white/grey Honda Accord, a blue Mercedes, and a white Nissan in the parking lot as well as emergency medical technicians who were leaving when he arrived, (3) Rolla was guided to the body by officer Franz Ferstle, (4) Rolla lifted Foster's left hand and found it still warm, (5) Rolla rolled over Foster's body and saw blood dripping down Foster's back from a wound in the head and Rolla, using gloves, probed inside the wound. This is the first time I have heard anyone assert that they actually looked inside the wound. The next interesting part is the description of Rolla going to Foster's house to tell the family. While en route, Rolla was called by WH operative William Kennedy who wanted to go look at the body. Rolla told him to go to Fairfax County Hospital morgue. This suggests that Kennedy would have had a chance to plant the keys on Foster's body. Unfortunately, Stewart does not even mention the keys controversy. Right after getting the call from Kennedy, Rolla got a call from an other WH insider, David Watkins, who wanted to accompany Rolla to the Fosters' house. Rolla picked up Watkins and then proceeded onto Fosters' house where he was met by Foster's sisters and Web Hubbell standing outside. Stewart does not explain how this trio managed to get their so fast. He does mention, however, that Hubbell was constantly talking on his cellular phone the entire time. It certainly would be interesting to get Hubbell's phone records from that night. Once in Foster's house, Hubbell essentially prevented Rolla from asking anyone questions about the crime. Eventually after standing around and being ignored for an hour or two as Hubbell searched the house for papers and conferred with Bill Clinton (who arrived around 10:50), Rolla left having spoken to no one. Stewart's description makes clear that the Foster investigation was compromised from the beginning. Not only was Rolla extremely inexperienced, but he was also prevented from investigating by the White House. There's a lot more in Blood Sport that needs to be analyzed. For example, Stewart characterizes Nussbaum as being essentially uninfomred about Arkansas matters (Foster, McClarty, Williams being the ones in the know). He also suggests that within the White House there were essentially three different ideas about how to respond to Whitewater/Foster issues: David Gergen urged the Clintons to tell everything truthfully; Nussbaum wanted the Clintons to say nothing and hide as much as possible; Hillary and the other Arkansas people wanted to lie. Since Gergen and Nussbaum are both out of the White House, Hillary appears to have won out. I look forward to seeing comments by others regarding Blood Sport. From: jinks@u.washington.edu Reply-To: SNETNEWS@XBN.SHORE.NET Subject: Conservative Consensus Reviews: The Murder of Vince Foster Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 07:35:39 -0800 (PST) Organization: C O N S E R V A T I V E C O N S E N S U S (tm) ***************************************************************** Events * Analysis * Forecasts * Commentary * Readers' Opinions ***************************************************************** R E G U L A R C O L U M N S ::: World, National, Regional Distribution: World Editor's Desk Copyright 1996 by Conservative Consensus, ISSN 1074-245X. QUOTATION AND REDISTRIBUTION are permitted, for private, non-commercial use, provided nothing is changed and our headers and trailers remain intact. V2X18 BOOK & FILM REVIEW............ _______________________________________________________ The Murder of Vince Foster by Michael Kellett (C) 1995. CLS Publishers, 7188 Cradlerock Way, Suite 162, Columbia MD 21045. $12.95 Paperback, 259 pages. _______________________________________________________ The mainline press have resisted any look beyond the official verdict of suicide in Mr. Foster's untimely death. Indeed, they have ridiculed both grand conspiracy theories and critical questions about the Fiske Report with equal vigor. It is too bad that this politically-correct mentality has infected the news business; ultimately reporters will pay a high price for their slavish devotion to official stories. While ridiculed as conspiracy theories, probably in an attempt to discredit them, both this book and video are in fact critical looks at the evidence and conclusions of the Fiske Report, the official explanation of Mr. Foster's death. The Murder of Vince Foster, by Michael Kellett, is somewhat more wide-ranging than the video that we also review in this issue. Mr. Kellett begins a bit stridently, but soon settles down to a factual discussion of the evidence and conclusions presented in the Fiske Report. Mr. Fiske's work does not fare well in the face of Mr. Kellett's discussion. By the time Mr. Kellett presents his murder hypothesis, roughly a third of a way through the book, the reader is ready for it: the author has already destroyed the official suicide conclusions of the Fiske Report. Mr. Kellett is unwavering in his suspicions of who ultimately ordered the murder of Mr. Foster -- and why. While none of the information that Mr. Kellett presents in his book is completely new, some of it is startling. All but the dedicated Foster investigator will find many things here they did not know about Mr. Foster's death, the subsequent investigation, and the coverup. Mr Kellett has ranged far and wide through the published accounts and ploughed through Congressional testimony for his information. Here is just one example -- a Secret Service memo circulated on the night of the murder: On 7/20/93, at 2130 hrs., Lt. Woltz, USSS/UD - WHB, contacted the ID/DD and advised that at 2030 Hrs., this date, he was contacted by Lt. Gavin, US Park Police, who provided the following information: 'On the evening of 7/20/93, unknown time, US Park Police discovered the body of Vincent Foster in his car. The car was parked in the Ft. Marcy area of VA near the GW Parkway. Mr. Foster apparently died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head. A .38 cal. revolver was found in the car. Mr. Kellett's efforts allow him to present to his readers many of the finer points -- and relationships between people -- that have escaped other writers. Mr. Kellett's commentary as he presents the information keeps the discussion interesting and always puts the facts in context. The Murder of Vince Foster is a useful and important book. _______________________________________________________ The Death of Vince Foster: What Really Happened? (C) 1995 Jeremiah Films, Inc. P.O. Box 1710, Hemet CA 92546. $19.95 Videotape, 60 Minutes. _______________________________________________________ If your taste runs more to videotapes, The Death of Vince Foster, a 60 minute video by Jeremiah Films, will give you a critical look at the Fiske Report and its suicide conclusion. The video opens with a quick look at the events surrounding Mr. Foster's death and a thumbnail background sketch. The connection is made between Mr. Clinton and Mr. Foster in childhood. Mr. Foster's intelligence and achievements are highlighted. From there the video is divided into two parts. The first explores the inconsistencies in the Fiske Report's suicide conclusion -- beginning with the administration's insistence that the Park Police, not the FBI -- as required by law -- investigate Mr. Foster's death. The video features film clips from interviews with investigators, paramedics, and other participants. Each contradiction is addressed specifically, factually, and without sensationalism. Part two addresses the coverup in government and the media surrounding the facts about Mr. Foster's death. Journalist Christopher Ruddy, and Reed Irvine of Accuracy in Media, discuss hand-drawn paramedic maps of the crime, photos that were lost or faked, belated and futile metal detector searches for the bullet, and the famous suicide note. Testimony reveals that the White House demanded possession of crime scene evidence -- even if it meant breaking into investigator's desks to obtain it. The suicide note has since been pronounced a fake by three of the world's leading handwriting experts, bearing out the video's assertion. A number of film clips from Congressional testimony are used in this section. In addition to an extensive look at contradictory statements by witnesses, the video provides a good look at the participants. This video is relentless. Fact after fact is piled carefully around the monument of official truth, until the structure completely obscures the official conclusions regarding Mr. Foster's death. If you are looking for an explaination of who did kill Mr. Foster, then you will be disappointed. Indeed, one of the video's strengths is that it avoids such speculation. On the other hand, if you're curious about why Mr. Foster's death is still an issue with so many Americans, this video can provide the answer in about one hour. ### ======================== GET THE FULL STORY: Over 100 news events that have been spiked, suppressed, or ignored by the government-sourced mainline media! Email info-consensus@connect2000.com with "GET CATALOG" as the first and only line of text in the message. Problems? Send email to cc@connect2000.com with "Send Catalog" as the Subject. THE EDITORS are heard live nationally on the Eagle Radio Network. Satellite receivers can pick us up every Saturday 11-noon PST on G2 or G6, transponder 14, subaudio 1.57. Ask your local station's program manager to carry Conservative Consensus Live. Have your station contact the Eagle Radio Network at 802-485-4170. 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Foster Jr. and is reviewing the material for possible release,according to a spokeswoman for the agency. "There are a large number of documents,but well less than 700," NSA spokes- woman Renee Frank said in commenting on a report in the April 24th edition of the financial newsletter Strategic Investment. The newsletter said NSA has identified more than 700 documents related to Mr. Foster and had turned down a Freedom of Information Act(FOIA) request to release the material for unspecified reasons. The newsletter suggested the secret documents held by the electronic spying agency indicate Mr. Foster's death was a matter of "highly sensitive national security." Miss Frank,however,said the request has not been rejected and the documents uncovered under a FOIA search are awaiting review for possible release. Many of the documents,described as a "small stack" are news clippings gathered by the NSA on Mr. Foster and ,while not intelligence documents,"technically are agency documents," and therefore must be reviewed,she said. Some of the documents were created by other agencies,so referrals to those agencies are required before their release,Miss Frank said. The FOIA request was made by the Washington Weekly,a newsletter pubklished on the Internet. Weekly Editor Marvin Lee said he filed the document request seven months ago based on testimony of a White House secretary who told investigators that Mr. Foster was working on two binders of NSA documents at the time of his death. "I'd like to know what they are holding,"Mr.Lee said in an interview. Mr. Lee said an NSA official told him several months ago the amount of material being reviewed was about 700 pages of documents. Mark Fabiani,a White House spokesman on the Foster case,said Mr. Foster was not working on any NSA documents,"There were no National Security Agency documents that he was working on that were in his possession," he said. But "there were two National Security Council folders" containing documents a White House counsel would be expected to be working on,Mr.Fabiani said.The National Security Council is a White House agency.An Administration source said the material concerned legal questions related to national emergencies ,such as the outbreak of war. Mr. Foster was found shot dead on July 20,1993,at Fort Marcy Park along the George Washington Parkway.His death was ruled a suicide.A note found later in his briefcase indicated he was suffering from mental stress. His death and subsequent investigations prompted numerous conspiracy theories, including claims that Mr.Foster was murdered. The fact that NSA,the super secret electronic spying service has material on him likely will fuel further speculation about his demise. A former US Intelligence officer speculated that NSA could have spied on foreign communications about Mr.Foster.Foreign spy agencies would likely collect data on the case since it might affect a sitting US president,said the former official, speaking of condition of anonymity. NSA documents also might explain Mr. Foster's reported trips abroad.The London Daily Telegraph,citing travel records obtained by the newspaper,reported last year that Mr.Foster traveled to Geneva in November 1991 and December 1992,and had purchased an airline ticket for Geneva that was canceled on July 8,1993-12 days before he was found dead in Ft. Marcy Park. Command: GET "05_1997&1828569" (TABLE BORDER=0 CELLPADDING=1 CELLSPACING=0) (TR) (TD)(img src="/gif/415group/clear.gif" alt=" " width=10 height=1)(/TD) (TD COLSPAN=3) (img width=468 height=2 src="/gif/415group/horzline.gif" alt="[--------------------------------------------------]") (/TD)(/TR) (TR)(TD)  (TR) (TD)(img src="/gif/415group/clear.gif" alt=" " width=10 height=1)(/TD) (TD HEIGHT=1 WIDTH=468 ALIGN=CENTER) (a href="http://www.reference.com/cgi-bin/pn/show_ad.py? type=URL&random_number=0.005005&group_list= alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater+alt.politics.clinton") (img border=0 src="http://www.reference.com/cgi-bin/pn/show_ad.py? type=GIF&random_number=0.005005&group_list= alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater+alt.politics.clinton" alt="Ad Banner") (/TD)(/TR)(/TABLE) Subject: Repost: FORENSIC EXPERTS DOUBT FOSTER SUICIDE FINDING From: jqp@globaldialog.com Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 00:16:23 -0500 Message-ID: <33755627.25F1@globaldialog.com> Organization: Global Dialog Internet Newsgroups: alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,alt.politics.clinton Thanks to Brenda Jinkins for retrieving this from the archives: FORENSIC EXPERTS DOUBT FOSTER SUICIDE FINDING By Christopher Ruddy in the Pittsburgh Tribune Review January 18, 1995 Leading forensic and firearms experts have cast serious doubts on the official suicide ruling in the case of Deputy White House Counsel Vincent W. Foster Jr. in July 1993 - strongly suggesting that Foster might not have fired the gun that is said to have killed him. Based on the FBI's analysis of the death weapon's residue-emitting characteristics and on such residue found on Foster's hands, the experts concluded that if Foster fired the fatal shot, he would have had to have held the gun in a highly unusual position, with both hands on the forward part of the gun - neither hand being on the grip when it was fired. Earlier this month, Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr convened a grand jury to review the Foster case. The Associated Press reported that Starr has been reviewing the "thoroughness and competence" of the investigation into Foster's death in a top-to-bottom review of the case. Such a review, according to law enforcement experts, should touch upon discrepancies involving the apparent suicide weapon. WRONG HAND Foster's body was found in Fort Marcy Park, Arlington, Va., with an antique 1913 Colt Army service revolver in his right hand. He had supposedly placed the gun's 4-inch barrel deep into his mouth and fired it using his right thumb and hand. This was suspicious in itself, according to some experts, since Foster was left-handed. Massad Ayoob, who heads the Lethal Force Institute, noted that holding a gun with neither hand on the hand-grip constitutes "an extremely unnatural and awkward grasp totally inconsistent with what both experience and logic show us to expect of a suicidal person." Ayoob, who has served as a forensics expert for the states of California and Michigan, said that gunpowder residue found on Foster's hands indicate he wasn't a "deliberate suicide." "It looks like someone faked it," he said, suggesting that a gun may have been placed in Foster's hands and then fired, in order to leave "gunpowder residue on his hands." This, he said, might lead relatively inexperienced investigators to conclude Foster had fired the gun himself. Ayoob conducted a detailed analysis of the shooting using a replica of the death weapon wielded by someone with hands comparable in size to those of the 6-foot-4-inch tall Foster. Ayoob concluded that not only would the gun have been difficult to fire according to the scenario suggested, but that Foster's hands would have interfered with the guns operation. With his hands pressed across the cylinder he would have inhibited its necessary rotation, and the fourth and fifth finger of his right hand would have likely prevented the hammer from striking the bullet. Dr. Richard Mason, who specializes in firearms forensics, and is the pathologist for Santa Cruz, Calif., is similarly bothered by the unusual residue deposits on the deceased's fingers. It "doesn't make any sense," he said. "I wonder if they came to erroneous conclusions." UNUSUAL MARKS Challenges to the findings on the part of experts have been prompted largely by their readings of the report of Special Counsel Robert Fiske and FBI findings in the case. When the apparent death weapon was fired in the FBI laboratory, soot and smoke-blast were emitted from the gap between the front of the cylinder (referred to as the front cylinder gap) and the gun's frame, as well as the muzzle. ________________________________________________________ | | | | | | | |<------ 4" ------>| | | _ ______|__ _| | | \\/\/______ \_____________/_| | | \ /| || | | | | // | || |_______________| | | _/ / / __ | | /_/ __/ /| | | / / / /_/ | __ | | /_/_/_/ /|_| / |<--Index Finger | | / / / /_/\ \/_/|_________/_| | | /\ / / /_/_ |\ | | | | /_\/ / | /| | \|_______________| | | \\/ | | |\ | \______%%% | | / |_| |_\| /\ | | / / | \ / \__ Second Fiinger | | / ____/ |___\ | | / /|||/ /| \ | | / | \\\__/// \___ Thumb | | / | \____/ | | | | / | | | | / | | | | / \ | | /| | / \__ Wrist | | |______|/ | |_________________________________________________________| ____________________________________________________________ | | | Based on residue deposits, Foster's hands were likely | | configured in a manner similar to this. Neither hand is | | on the hand grip making the gun unstable. The palms of | | the hands, pressed against the cylinder of the gun, would | | interfere with the cylinder's rotation. Foster's large | | hands would likely have put his two smallest fingers in | | jeopardy of the gun's hammer when it was fired. The thumb | | would have to depress the trigger in an unnatural movement.| |____________________________________________________________| This indicates that Foster pulled the trigger with his right thumb, his four right fingers, which are usually placed on the back of the hand grip to stabilize the revolver, were instead inexplicably wrapped around the cylinder and the top of the gun frame. A visible line of gunpowder residue was also found on Foster's left index finger, indicating that the left hand was also near, or on the gun's cylinder. Strangely, the FBI laboratory analysis omitted any mention of the heavy soot found on Foster's left index finger. FOUL PLAY Dr. Vincent Di Maio, medical examiner for San Antonio, Tex., is regarded as one of the nation's leading firearms forensics experts. He pointed out how difficult it would be to fire a weapon with both hands forward of the grip and trigger. "It would be such an awkward way, you'd have to contort yourself to do this. It is not consistent with suicide." Another expert who questioned the suicide scenario was Dr. Martin Fachler, who headed the U.S. Army's Wound Ballistics Laboratory in San Francisco for 10 years before retiring. "It's almost impossible to pull the trigger without some counter pressure," he said, referring to the need to brace the weapon against the force of the trigger pull. _________________________________________________________ | | | A TYPICAL SUICIDE GRIP | | | | _________ _ | | /______ \_____________/_| | | /\ /| | | | | | /_\ / | | |_______________| | | _ \\/ | | |_______%%% | | | \ / |\ |______| / | | Fingers _\ \ | \ / | | of right | \\ | \ \_______/ | | hand ---> _\ \\_| /|\ \ || | | | \\ \ | /\\__|_//<-- Trigger guard | | \ \\ \ | \_\__/ | | _\ \\_| | / \ | | | \\ \ | _/\ \___ Thumb | | \ \\_| | \ | | \ \ | \ | | \_|_____| \ | | \ | | \ | |_________________________________________________________| _________________________________________________________ | | | A typical suicide will fire a gun in this manner. The | | fingers grasp the gun's handgrip to stabilize the gun, | | and allow for a natural pull on the trigger. | |_________________________________________________________| Fachler said he could "not see how any person left to their own devices" would use the weapon in this manner. "If you ask is this an indication of foul play, I have to say yeah, maybe it is." Still another expert with similar misgivings was Robert Taubert, 33-year veteran of the FBI who conducted extensive research on weapons as a firearms expert with the FBI Swat Team. "I never heard of anyone gripping the gun like that," he said. Taubert reviewed both the FBI analysis and the review of that analysis conducted by Ayoob. In re-enacting the shooting as it supposedly occurred, he noted that he "had a lot of problems actuating the trigger" because of "the awkwardness of the grip." Taubert concluded that the both-hands-up-front scenario was "completely unnatural." Only someone who'd never seen a gun fired, even in a movie, might try to do it that way, he said. Vincent Scalise was yet another expert who found the gun residues, and the grip they implied, "not consistent with suicide." Scalise spent 35 years with the New York City Police Department, where he worked major homicide cases as a crime-scene expert. He was a consultant to the House Committee on Assassinations, which debunked a number of theories relating to the death of John F. Kennedy. All four forensic pathologists who served on Fiske's team were contacted about the gunpowder residue discrepancies. Calls were referred to the Independent Counsel's office or went unreturned. POLICE FAULTED Scalise faulted the U.S. Park Police, who handled the Foster investigation, for not following standard police procedure. which is to treat such a death as a homicide until established otherwise. The Park Police, an agency that investigates only around 35 deaths a year, has asserted that it followed such procedure. But Scalise said the testing of the gun and powder residue on the hands would be "critical" aspects of a homicide investigation. He added that, had he worked on a case involving the type of residues in the Foster death, he would have assumed that there was a "strong possibility that it was an actual homicide." The Park Police did not send the gun for testing until two days after they officially declared Foster's death a suicide, on Aug. 10, 1993. Homicide experts say that killers are becoming increasingly sophisticated in staging suicides, including the deliberate firing of a gun to leave powder marks on the victim's hand to fool investigators. "In some parts of the country, it's become a license to kill," said Vernon Geberth. Geberth, author of the authoritative police text Practical Homicide Investigation, said experienced investigators look for "inconsistencies" with what one would expect from a typical suicide. In the Foster case, not only does the powder residue not fit, but there are a number of other inconsistencies involving the gun alone: no fingerprints were found on it; the fired bullet was never found; the gun could not be positively identified by Foster's family; no matching ammunition was found for the gun in either of the victim's two homes; and no visible blood or blowback material was found on the gun. LAPSES CITED The then-Republican minority report to the Senate Banking Committee report on its Whitewater hearings noted "variances" in Park Police procedures, assigning blame for them on "interference by staff from the White House." Among the lapses in police procedure noted in that minority report and by law enforcement experts: (*) Failure to retain as evidence Foster's beeper, turning it over to the White House within hours of his death. (A Park Police officer in an interview in January 1994 said Foster's beeper was found in his car, but the Fiske report stated it was found on his body. (*) Similar failure to retain other critical evidence such as personal belongings and papers found at Fort Marcy Park the day after his death, returning this evidence to the White House. (*) Failure to conduct a standard canvass of residences surrounding Fort Marcy Park and failure to interview individuals who frequent the park. (*) Failure to immediately secure Foster's office as a crime scene. (*) Delay in testing of the gun, and failure to conduct a vacuum sweep of Foster's clothing and shoes. ------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- Prediction of the decade: "The public will never believe the innocence of the Clintons & their loyal staff." -- author unknown [end of message ... text also available at ] Command: GET "06_1997&1108687" (TABLE BORDER=0 CELLPADDING=1 CELLSPACING=0) (TR) (TD)(img src="/gif/415group/clear.gif" alt=" " width=10 height=1)(/TD) (TD COLSPAN=3) (img width=468 height=2 src="/gif/415group/horzline.gif" alt="[--------------------------------------------------]") (/TD)(/TR) (TR)(TD)  (TR) (TD)(/TD) (TD HEIGHT=1 WIDTH=468 ALIGN=CENTER) (a href="/cgi-bin/pn/show_ad.py? type=URL&random_number=0.248248&group_list= alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater") (img width=468 height=60 border=0 src="/cgi-bin/pn/show_ad.py? type=GIF&random_number=0.248248&group_list= alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater" alt="Ad Banner")(/a) (/TD)(/TR)(/TABLE) Subject: Re: THE CLINTON CONNECTION TO PARKS MURDER From: lar-jen@interaccess.com (Larry-Jennie) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 07:07:17 -0600 Message-ID: Organization: InterAccess,Chicagoland's Full Service Internet Provider Newsgroups: alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater References: , <19970605185400.OAA01882@ladder02.news.aol.com>, In article cayenne@nyct.net (Martin McPhillips) writes: >And why the Foster death is, as >Ambrose Evans-Pritchard has >suggested, the "Rosetta stone" of >the Clinton scandals. I know what you mena. Electronic Telegraph July 14, 1996 Foster 'hired detective to spy on Clinton' Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in Little Rock reports on the latest twist in the saga of the former White House aide --------------- External Links VINCENT Foster, the Arkansas lawyer whose mysterious death is still the subject of official investigations, orchestrated secret surveillance of Bill Clinton in 1990, two years before he became Deputy Counsel in the Clinton White House. The claim is made by the widow of Jerry --------------- Parks, a Little Rock investigator allegedly contracted to do the work. What is more, Mrs Parks's husband told her the operation was instigated by Foster's law partner: Hillary Rodham Clinton. The allegations have to be treated with great caution. They are based on the word of one person and are almost impossible to corroborate. Even so, Jane Parks's story deserves to be reported. Her husband went on to become chief of security at the Clinton-Gore headquarters during the presidential campaign. A few months later, in September 1993, he was murdered, gangland-style, in a case that has never been solved by the Little Rock police. Vince Foster had died two months earlier in circumstances that have led to formal accusations by the US Senate of a White House cover-up. His body was found in a Virginia park, next to a civil war cannon, with an unidentified revolver lodged in the right hand. His death was recorded as suicide at first, but the case has been re-opened by independent counsel Kenneth Starr. After two years, Starr has still not concluded whether it was suicide or murder. Jane Parks, 43, has never sought out the press. She reluctantly told me about her former husband's ties with Foster during a dinner at her house two months ago. She has now finally consented to go on the record, saying she is weary of living with secrets. She said that her late husband, Jerry, respected Vince Foster. Around 1985, he started taking on sensitive assignments for him. These appeared to have involved a variety of strange activities - including two mysterious trips the two men took to the town of Mena, west Arkansas, during the 1992 presidential campaign. "Jerry had a reputation for doing high-profile cases for prominent people. He knew how to keep his mouth shut," she said. Nevertheless, he confided in his wife, and told her about the covert surveillance of the state governor in 1990. She said: "Jerry asked Vince why he needed this stuff on Clinton. He said he needed it for Hillary." She believes that Hillary Clinton was trying to gain leverage over her husband, possibly in relation to future divorce proceedings. It is possible Mrs Clinton wanted to get to the bottom of persistent rumours about her husband's philandering before subjecting herself and her daughter to the media glare of a presidential campaign. At the time, Mrs Clinton and Vince Foster were partners at the Rose Law firm. The two were so close, in fact, that they even shared a brokerage account called Midlife Partners. Several new books claim that the two were lovers for many years. Mrs Parks said that Foster had telephoned her husband over a hundred times at their home outside Little Rock, and when she met him at a political function Foster complimented her by saying: "You must be Jerry's wife, I'd heard he'd robbed the cradle." She said her husband started having dealings with Foster around 1981, when the Rose Law firm represented Guardsmark, the security firm that Parks was working for at the time. Later, Parks set up his own business and took on personal assignments for Foster. It appears that Parks collected extensive surveillance files on Bill Clinton over the years On one occasion, Parks was asked to provide home security for Foster's brother-in-law, Lee Bowman, whose house was damaged in a fire. Mr Bowman, confirmed the story, saying that he was struck by the way Foster insisted that Parks was a man who could be trusted. It appears that Parks collected extensive surveillance files on Bill Clinton over the years - though not always for Foster. Some of it was clearly undertaken for other clients. Parks's son Gary, now 25, accompanied him on several night missions in 1987 which involved watching the apartments of Gennifer Flowers and other women, using long-range cameras. Parks also did some spying on Clinton in 1984 when the Governor attended a number of cocaine-and-sex parties given by his younger brother, Roger, at the Vantage Point apartment complex where Jane Parks was manager. Roger Clinton went to prison shortly afterwards for dealing in cocaine. In a police surveillance video taken at the time, Roger can be heard saying that he must get some cocaine for his brother: "He has a nose like a vacuum cleaner." Parks kept a set of photos and hand-written notes at his home. The files were stolen in a burglary in July 1993, about the time of Foster's death. "That's when Jerry got paranoid," said Mrs Parks. "He believed that Foster had been murdered and he was afraid that he'd be next." His paranoia was vindicated. Two months later, on September 26, Parks was shot several times at short range outside Little Rock. An eye-witness told Mrs Parks that he saw an Arkansas State Trooper leaving the scene of the crime. No charges have been brought. During the early part of 1993, Parks constantly battled with the White House. He told his wife that the Clinton campaign owed him more than $60,000 for work done by the firm. Asked if it was possible that her husband could have played "hardball" with the White House to recover his money, Mrs Parks replied: "He would never have been so stupid as to try to blackmail the President of the United States." During the summer of 1993, the debt was suddenly paid in full. Mrs Parks has had trouble finding out what happened in those months - and which White House telephone numbers her husband may have called - because police have removed records from Mr Parks's office. She says her home was also ransacked, with as many as eight federal agents in her house at one time - flashing FBI, Secret Service, IRS, and, curiously, CIA credentials - not to mention visits by Little Rock police officers. A computer was purged by an expert, files went missing and 130 tapes of telephone conversations were confiscated. "I've asked them to give it all back, but the police refuse to relinquish anything," she said. "They told me there's nothing they can do about the case as long as Bill Clinton is in office." When she told the FBI agent in charge that the murder could have a political dimension because her husband had had dealings with Vince Foster and Bill Clinton, the man cut her short. "He threw up his hands and said 'I don't want to hear anything about that'," said Mrs Parks. The FBI office in Little Rock seemed surprised at the suggestion that its agents were involved. "It's a homicide. We don't have jurisdiction," said an official. Mrs Parks's allegations clash with the usual description of Foster as a well-meaning lawyer, out of his depth in the cut-throat world of Washington. But revelations that the White House Counsel's Office, where Foster worked, was behind the illicit request of over 900 FBI files has changed the picture dramatically. The White House is now leaking information that Foster was responsible for hiring Craig Livingstone - exposed as a dirty tricks operative - to head security. If Foster did indeed hire Livingstone, it is not far-fetched to suggest he previously hired Jerry Parks. As for Mrs Parks, it is hard to see why she might fabricate this story. She has shunned the media spotlight for the past three years, refusing substantial offers of money from tabloid publications. She is a Pentecostal Christian, has remarried and retreated to the Arkansas hills, where she is seeking a quieter life, having developed multiple sclerosis. The White House has refused to comment. 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